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Topic author: ªiªi
Subject: ¶³°\¥Ò¨®(¼i±a«¬)+F-CK-2 ¸g°êII°ÎÂܾԾ÷
Posted on: 04/18/2010 13:31:14
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Reply author: e4566547
Replied on: 04/18/2010 13:57:50
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Replied on: 04/18/2010 14:53:49
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 04/18/2010 16:21:25
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actually, I wonder how can this vechicle achieve the "¶VÀ¢¡G2¤½¤Ø" specification, when this vechicle reach the tretch, it's front will crashed on the wall before the track can reach it.....

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Replied on: 04/18/2010 17:13:32
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quote:
Originally posted by rockitten

actually, I wonder how can this vechicle achieve the "¶VÀ¢¡G2¤½¤Ø" specification, when this vechicle reach the tretch, it's front will crashed on the wall before the track can reach it.....

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Reply author: Dr Evil
Replied on: 04/21/2010 16:29:07
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Replied on: 04/21/2010 21:14:56
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Replied on: 04/21/2010 21:19:21
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Replied on: 04/21/2010 21:58:17
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Replied on: 04/21/2010 22:08:39
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Replied on: 04/22/2010 08:54:55
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Replied on: 04/28/2010 16:51:08
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Replied on: 04/28/2010 19:23:16
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Replied on: 05/19/2010 21:26:53
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Reply author: toga
Replied on: 05/19/2010 22:32:27
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* AIM-120¤@ªT¬ù160 kg¡C
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Replied on: 05/19/2010 23:51:45
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by toga

* AIM-120¤@ªT¬ù160 kg¡C
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1. §Aªº°ÎÂܸg°êIIªº¤Ø¤oªÅ­«¥u¤ñF-16A/B MLU²¤°ª¡A¥B©úÅã¤p©óF-16C/D¡C

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Replied on: 05/22/2010 21:44:15
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quote:
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