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The doppler shift negating can be read in Tom Clancy's novel Debt of Honor(released 1994). Don't know if there's a Chinese translated version..... If I remember correctly, it's about few F-22 prototypes and close flying with F-15Cs used that tactic to make F-22 "disappeared" while JASDF E-767s continued to track the F-15Cs, and the F-22 able to close in on E-767 unnoticed and shot it down.

In the real world, the doppler shift effect caused the 2 USAF F-15Cs shoot down of 2 US Army Blackhawk helicopters on April 14, 1994, over Iraqi Northern No Fly Zone, involving a Taiwanese born controller on board a USAF E-3 Sentry AWACS, due to the helicopters stopped and landed to take on new passenagers, and the tracking by E-3 broke into different tracking files, and couldn't tell by radar if it's friendly or foe. Plus the fact there's IFF problems between USAF and US Army at the time---different IFF settings that cause the initial IFF problem, and then the 2 4-eye F-15C pilots made the wrong/idiotic helicopter identification during fly by of the 2 targets made it worse---they thought they were shooting at Mi-24 Hinds....

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Replied on: 11/01/2010 17:46:17
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Replied on: 11/01/2010 20:08:52
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Replied on: 11/01/2010 20:54:26
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Replied on: 11/01/2010 22:30:15
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Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 11/02/2010 08:43:42
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Reply author: vmkolauderid
Replied on: 11/03/2010 19:30:04
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Reply author: vmkolauderid
Replied on: 11/05/2010 10:58:40
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Replied on: 11/05/2010 11:09:24
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Reply author: toga
Replied on: 11/05/2010 12:52:18
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 11/05/2010 13:33:40
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Even MIM-14 Nike Herc has nuke warhead version, just that all of them are retired, and weren't in service for very long.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-14_Nike-Hercules

Would you believe that back in 1950s, even nuclear warhead version of recoilless rounds and grenade exist? Back when anything with nuke/atomic name will get you funding..... See Davy Crockett. Of course, the PK is 200%, ie. it will kill your enemy and yourself in the same time....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_%28nuclear_device%29

This is what Pakistan and India military going through right now, everything with nuclear warhead will get you funding, until people finally wake up and find out how useless those weapons really are in the real world....

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Reply author: ian125
Replied on: 11/05/2010 16:40:03
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Replied on: 11/05/2010 17:09:37
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Reply author: star3
Replied on: 11/05/2010 21:27:05
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Replied on: 11/06/2010 12:17:06
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 11/06/2010 12:44:00
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»ñ°Ä­¸¼u retired long time ago. Same with F-15µo®gªº¤Ï½Ã¬P­¸¼u that retired in late 1980s----all suffered from cracked solid rocket propellants inside the missile.

Let's put it this way, it's not safe to use them---because you don't know if they will launch, or they will explode and launches you into heaven/hell.....

THAAD with nukes---it's currently forbidden due to treaty(or treaties) between US and Russia/USSR..... And no such plan exist, AFAIK....

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Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 11/06/2010 19:53:26
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Reply author: su37
Replied on: 11/07/2010 00:54:28
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Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 11/07/2010 10:05:16
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 11/07/2010 11:26:28
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Don't know if I should say this here, but talked to a F-22 pilot few years ago at Nellis AFB while vacationing in Vegas. He stated they practice the Doppler Shift negating against AEW about 300-400 miles out going one direction, then close in from another direction to about 50 miles un-notice. If it's a 4 ship formation, 2 F-22 will assigned to go against enemy fighter escort flying either race track or figure 8 loitering patrol track near the AEW with their LPI radar mode, then the 2 remaining F-22 will gang up on the AEW. Once the AEW in the area is taken down, then those "lesser able fighters"(or ants as he calls them) like F-15 and F-16 can move in and do the mop up job, and to clear the way for air to mud missions......

It' one of the tactics they use to make sure they aren't being tracked by AEW in any way or form, before getting close and personal, in order to reach out and touch someone....

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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 11/07/2010 11:43:05
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I know. But it's novel. In his next novel "Executive Orders", the idea of Taiwan might have 50 nukes came from yours truely, back when we were exchanging emails on various stuff.....

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Reply author: su37
Replied on: 11/07/2010 12:10:58
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Replied on: 11/08/2010 13:24:27
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Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 11/08/2010 13:49:07
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Reply author: ian125
Replied on: 11/09/2010 16:31:27
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Replied on: 11/10/2010 08:35:11
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Reply author: vmkolauderid
Replied on: 11/14/2010 21:45:23
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Replied on: 11/15/2010 00:14:04
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Replied on: 11/30/2010 09:37:53
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