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| Sam |
Posted - 08/16/2009 : 12:48:41
美軍直升機 今馳援台灣
更新日期:2009/08/16 04:09
〔記者范正祥、王述宏、羅添斌、蔡清華／綜合報導〕美國重型軍用直升機即將援台救八八水災！外交部昨天接獲美方通知，美國政府最快在今天中午就會派遣由美方人員操作、可吊掛重型機械的直升機來台，並提供人道救援物資。這將是台美斷交、美軍撤軍後，美國軍機第一次以「人道援助」名義，登上台灣土地。
美軍人道登台 斷交後頭一遭
據消息管道透露，美方援台直升機應是美軍「超級種馬」CH-53E重型直升機。這款重型直升機為美軍海軍陸戰隊現役機種，美方極可能是用派駐日本琉球基地的同型裝備，就近運送來台。
美方該項協助台灣救災的決定，也由國務院官員同步告知台灣駐美代表處，美國重型直升機抵台後，可以大幅增加吊掛重型機具到災區的能量，也可增加人員及救災物資的運能，對於需直升機孔急的救災工作助益極大，外交部對美方積極協助救災表示由衷感謝。
我提七項請求 美將儘速送抵
駐美代表處資深官員表示，台灣向美方提出吊掛用直升機、組合屋、消毒水、氯碇、環境消毒劑、手動及自動消毒機等七項救援請求，由於救災要快，雙方已達成共識，「最快在台灣時間十六日中午，就可以看到具體成果」。
我駐美代表袁健生昨天在美指出，八八水災發生後，他在十日就與一位美方高層官員見面。這名官員主動代表美國政府，對台灣發生嚴重水災表示關切，當場表示願意提供必要的物資與協助。代表處立即將美方善意轉達台北，美方也立即通知國際開發總署（ＵＳＡＩＤ）研議如何協助台灣。
若非政府拒援 外援早已抵台
相關官員指出，根據袁健生說法，若不是外交部在十一日通告駐外館處「婉謝」各國的救援物資及救援團隊，阻礙國際援助台灣的時程，美方直升機等救援裝備現在早就到達台灣。
為協助台灣救災，ＵＳＡＩＤ「災害協助暨支援計畫」協調人李比（Ron Libby）已於十四日抵台，昨天立即前往高雄縣等災區評估莫拉克颱風災情，台灣所需的相關器材、設備及物資，美方也將於近日內送抵台灣協助救災。外交官員透露，「台美有默契，李比來台定位救災，無關政治，低調處理」。
有關美方將派遣來台協助救災的吊掛重型機械特殊直升機機型、數量及操作人員人數，政府高度保密，外交官員說，這部分美方還在內部調度，「美方沒有告訴我方，我方也不會過問」，台灣完全尊重美國政府的安排，相信美方會作最妥適安排。
歐盟將伸援手 先派專家勘災
至於外界關注這些救援裝備及操作人員是否來自美國軍方？外交部對此回應，救災無關政治，不論是否來自美國軍方，都是美國政府派遣來台救災的。外交官員透露，「美國政府不願見到台灣將美方提供吊掛重型機械特殊直升機及操作人員來台救災，炒作為美軍來台」。
此外，歐盟輪值主席國瑞典已決定派遣歐盟援助暨評估小組的五位專家來台勘災，預定在台停留九天深入評估災情，以決定歐盟後續對台支援項目。
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| Luke-Skywalker |
Posted - 12/15/2009 : 14:11:13
http://n.yam.com/cna/politics/200912/20091215968606.html
感謝救援八八水災 國防部贈美軍紀念章
中央社╱中央社 2009-12-15 13:28
（中央社記者李淑華台北15日電）國防部發言人虞思祖今天說，為感謝這次投入八八水災救災相關的國軍、國際友人，國防部長高華柱昨天致贈救災紀念章給美國在台協會台北辦事處長司徒文、救災美軍官兵代表。
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May the Force be with you
President of IMFS(International Military Fans Society)
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| von_Guo |
Posted - 09/07/2009 : 07:10:05
>>> 看來救災壓力大阿 <<<
重度家暴出了人命 事後情緒不穩 暴走和人對頭撞 結果把自己也弄掛了
倒不好貿然說就是救災給了涉案人什麼壓力
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| agentbear |
Posted - 09/07/2009 : 00:41:20
quote:
Originally posted by terry543
話說回來，陸航眼鏡蛇的AIM-9S有新消息嗎？
One Shot-One Kill
一擊必殺
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| agentbear |
Posted - 09/06/2009 : 18:11:49
quote:
Originally posted by terry543
話說回來，陸航眼鏡蛇的AIM-9S有新消息嗎？
One Shot-One Kill
一擊必殺
2006年漢光Ah1W就有表演用AIM-9S打靶囉~ |
| agentbear |
Posted - 09/06/2009 : 18:09:57
quote:
Originally posted by 冗丙
啊~
不是每架米機上面都有配置一名連絡官~空中還有67在帶路~
掉掛小山貓還會降錯位置擺烏龍??這是跟民視串通好的嗎??
那個中國之翼的大大~
聽說你也出現在長鏡頭裡??該不會跟米軍飛官介紹台灣名產[珍奶]吧??
也沒有人去高屏外海拍兩棲突擊艦嗎??聽說在20海裡內耶??
當天那架是第一次自己飛~結果... |
| BWS |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 22:45:59
LPD-9 丹佛艦上的消息 ~~看來救災壓力大阿
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=64500
Sailor dies in crash after alleged assault leaves 12-year-old son dead
By Travis J. Tritten and Chiyomi Sumida, Stars and Stripes
Pacific edition, Wednesday, September 2, 2009
SASEBO NAVAL BASE, Japan — A USS Denver sailor died in a motorcycle crash after he allegedly assaulted his family in an attack that left his 12-year-old son dead Sunday at Sasebo Naval Base in Japan, base officials said Monday.
John W. Bench Jr., 39, died after his motorcycle collided with oncoming vehicles on a Sasebo expressway, Japanese police said.
The Navy would not confirm the identity of the sailor or name his family members Monday, citing an ongoing investigation. But the USS Denver’s Web page in early August listed a John W. Bench as the ship’s command master chief.
The crash occurred Sunday afternoon shortly after the alleged attack at a main base housing facility.
The Navy released few details Monday about the assault and the circumstances of the 12-year-old boy’s death. The sailor’s wife was seriously injured and upgraded from stable to guarded condition at a hospital Monday, base spokesman Charles Howard said.
The sailor’s 17-year-old daughter was treated for minor injuries and released, the base said in a release.
“I think you can say the people at the base are in collective shock,” Howard said.
The incident was first reported by an emergency phone call at about 3 p.m. Sunday and the base learned from Japanese police about 90 minutes later that the sailor had died in a motorcycle crash, he said.
Bench’s Harley-Davidson collided with oncoming traffic at about 2:53 p.m. in the Kuwakoba-cho district area of the Nishi Kyushu Expressway, according to a spokesman for the Nagasaki Prefecture police’s Expressway Traffic Police Unit. It was not immediately clear whether the collision was intentional.
“The motorcycle, which was traveling southbound from Sasebo toward Takeo, swerved into an opposite lane, colliding against a bus and then a compact car behind it,” spokesman Shuichi Nagano said.
Bench was taken to Sasebo General Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 4:09 p.m. Sunday, Nagano said.
Neither the 31-year-old bus driver and his six passengers nor the 34-year-old driver of the compact car and his passenger reported injuries, he said.
While the cause of the crash remained under investigation Monday, police suspect speed is one of the contributors, Nagano said. On Monday, the base community was dealing with fallout from the incident.
Howard said the USS Denver is to pass by the Navy base this week while en route to another port and an effort will be made to get crisis management and religious ministry people out to the ship. Authorities did not explain why Bench had not been aboard his ship.
The base Fleet and Family Support Center sent counselors to the schools and was providing counseling support to the emergency responders who handled the Sunday incident, said Mary Vance, a clinical advocacy counselor at the center.
“When a trauma happens, there are a lot of feelings and people have different ways of dealing with it,” Vance said. “We are just trying to be there for people.”
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The Command Master Chief, John W. Bench Jr. murdered his son and critically injured his wife with a baseball bat after returning from the summer patrol . After the murder, he fled the scene and was killed in a motorcycle accident
艦上的資深士官長 !
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Freedom is the oxygen of the soul.
軍隊最大的敵人不是敵對國家武力;而是己方政客
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| Luke-Skywalker |
Posted - 08/26/2009 : 16:37:52
quote:
Originally posted by terry543
話說回來，陸航眼鏡蛇的AIM-9S有新消息嗎？
服役好多年了
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May the Force be with you
President of IMFS(International Military Fans Society)
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| terry543 |
Posted - 08/26/2009 : 16:26:00
話說回來，陸航眼鏡蛇的AIM-9S有新消息嗎？
One Shot-One Kill
一擊必殺 |
| 冗丙 |
Posted - 08/26/2009 : 14:33:10
啊~
不是每架米機上面都有配置一名連絡官~空中還有67在帶路~
掉掛小山貓還會降錯位置擺烏龍??這是跟民視串通好的嗎??
那個中國之翼的大大~
聽說你也出現在長鏡頭裡??該不會跟米軍飛官介紹台灣名產[珍奶]吧??
也沒有人去高屏外海拍兩棲突擊艦嗎??聽說在20海裡內耶??
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| Steve Su |
Posted - 08/26/2009 : 10:56:49
>>我突然想到............咱們空軍的幻象機.......機砲也是30mm口徑的...........
>>不知道到底可不可以互用.........
我在WIKI上面看到機砲都是使用30x113彈藥。 |
| pcgamer |
Posted - 08/25/2009 : 23:00:37
quote:
Originally posted by hawkeye
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Su
>>消息來源認為，與其少買UH-60M，還不如少買AH-64阿帕契攻擊直升機
+1
買阿帕契幹嘛??陸航有幾成把握可以把阿帕契的妥善率顧到幾成??
UH-60M還比較來得有用。
+2(舉雙手)
阿帕契的30mm口徑鏈砲和國軍現有機砲子彈都不能通用!那像眼鏡蛇起碼機砲子彈可以和海空軍火神砲通用(應該都能和國軍現有20mm機砲都可用吧?)
光是要補給這30mm子彈就會傷透腦筋了(萬一這子彈有問題或是缺貨可不能由海空軍或聯勤調撥支援了)!
之前軍中同學在空軍戰機作後勤業務的曾經把原飛機響尾蛇飛彈調給陸軍AH-1W掛載ˋ但阿帕契可就不能用響尾蛇飛彈了 ˙˙˙
我突然想到............咱們空軍的幻象機.......機砲也是30mm口徑的...........
不知道到底可不可以互用.........
至於阿帕契的空對空飛彈的話，目前應該不是問題，美國已經同意出售空射型刺針飛彈了，
所以阿帕契的空對空防護應該沒問題。 |
| rockitten |
Posted - 08/25/2009 : 21:26:13
quote:
Originally posted by SK2
hmm...but they are using Twin Squirrel or Squirrel for that? Or other single or twin-engine choppers?
Police in London and other UK cities mostly use twin-engine light chopper for that work, while the Frogs used to ignore the law (I am the law! ) but now also being equipped with twin-engine EC-145 also.
mostly single engine but they do have a few twin engine type
Victoria: 1X Squirrel + civilian contractors helicopters
http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=172
NSW:
Bell 206 Jet Ranger III,
1X AS350B2 Eurocopter Squirrel equipped with FLIR camera, night sun and winch,
1X An AS355N2 Eurocopter Twin Squirrel equipped with FLIR camera, night sun and winch,
1X Kawasaki BK117B2 equipped with night sun and winch.
http://www.mbmaustralia.com/polair/polairinfo.htm
West Australia:
1X Kawasaki BK 117
1X Aerospatiale AS355F1 (Crahed on 1992)
1X Cessna 182
2X Piper PA-31 Navajo
2X Pilatus PC-12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Australia_Police
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
| gsx56840 |
Posted - 08/25/2009 : 20:55:30
樓上那位就不用太在意了,在國軍板一些人的水準都會自動降一個LEVEL,不用把自己搞的那麼悶,很多事笑笑就好
這次美軍的救援行動,更可以顯現出我軍的通信指揮能力還有很多不足之處,跟本無法有效率的運用MH-53,浪費油也浪費人力
至於通用機案,把它當成政客的作秀就夠了,他們做事都是做給霉體們看的,跟本不考慮後果 |
| SK2 |
Posted - 08/25/2009 : 15:41:39
quote:
Originally posted by rockitten
quote:
Originally posted by SK2
Places like France and UK placed a lot of restriction, if not totally ban, the single engine choppers from operating over the urban area. Even though this time the major operating area is in the rural, for most of the time it the rescue chopper would be operating in the urban area.
Police in Australia use helicopter for patrol extensively in Australia.......
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"Urban" area??? Most houses in Australia are less than 10m high........
hmm...but they are using Twin Squirrel or Squirrel for that? Or other single or twin-engine choppers?
Police in London and other UK cities mostly use twin-engine light chopper for that work, while the Frogs used to ignore the law (I am the law!) but now also being equipped with twin-engine EC-145 also.
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Idiots are everywhere... |
| rockitten |
Posted - 08/25/2009 : 15:28:20
quote:
Originally posted by SK2
Places like France and UK placed a lot of restriction, if not totally ban, the single engine choppers from operating over the urban area. Even though this time the major operating area is in the rural, for most of the time it the rescue chopper would be operating in the urban area.
Police in Australia use helicopter for patrol extensively in Australia.......
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"Urban" area??? Most houses in Australia are less than 10m high........
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
| SK2 |
Posted - 08/25/2009 : 10:34:11
Let's get back to the chopper
Are there any restriction of single engine chopper operation over urban area in Taiwan?
Places like France and UK placed a lot of restriction, if not totally ban, the single engine choppers from operating over the urban area. Even though this time the major operating area is in the rural, for most of the time it the rescue chopper would be operating in the urban area.
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Idiots are everywhere... |
| suntex01 |
Posted - 08/25/2009 : 10:25:25
quote:
Originally posted by dasha
quote:
Originally posted by suntex01
我問的問題有爛到需要你浪費版面來貼些屁話嗎?
確實有必要,至少能讓您不發言,可以減少不少不需要看的文字.
吉屋出售
台北市基隆路二段套房,近台大及捷運,附近有黃昏市場,生活機能便利.
http://www.hbhousing.com.tw/web/A002/index.asp?module=search&file=Detail&No=Z087382%20%20%20&AID=A002
台北縣板橋市大觀路一二樓公寓,接近國小至大學各級學校及公車總站,離捷運及板橋車站不遠.
詳情請洽0931043559田小姐
版主,如果真的是這樣,麻煩你在我發言之後通知我,或直接將我的文刪除.
我不介意,沒必要這樣.
想說這個版比較有水準,結果...嗯.
不好意思,之前發表的廢文已刪除. 如有需要,其他相關的回應也請一併處理.
謝謝 |
| dasha |
Posted - 08/25/2009 : 09:24:42
quote:
Originally posted by suntex01
我問的問題有爛到需要你浪費版面來貼些屁話嗎?
確實有必要,至少能讓您不發言,可以減少不少不需要看的文字.
吉屋出售
台北市基隆路二段套房,近台大及捷運,附近有黃昏市場,生活機能便利.
http://www.hbhousing.com.tw/web/A002/index.asp?module=search&file=Detail&No=Z087382%20%20%20&AID=A002
台北縣板橋市大觀路一二樓公寓,接近國小至大學各級學校及公車總站,離捷運及板橋車站不遠.
詳情請洽0931043559田小姐 |
| BWS |
Posted - 08/24/2009 : 22:59:34
quote:
Originally posted by suntex01
quote:
Originally posted by BWS
quote:
Originally posted by suntex01
那一篇我很了解我講了些什麼.
跟我在這篇的發問八竿子打不著,
也不知道你在吐什麼.
我請問你,我問MH-60這幾天執行什麼任務,到底那裡惹到你了?
我那篇講什麼我自己很清楚.說實話我是對航管不太懂啦.
只是剛好做到的東西有沾到點皮毛才拿來討論.
我也是有碰到才拿出來講,讓大家討論一下.
結果有人要上網找資料跟我吵一些有的沒的我也沒辦法阿.
不要以為好像剛上這板就什麼都不懂,都是新手好嗎?
要是這邊這麼不歡迎人加入討論,那我也不介意啦,明講就好.
大不了以後不發言...
沒必要問個問題就那麼不爽.
你自己在看看發言問MH-60執行啥任務時 , 有沒有用本討論欄回到上一頁的功能
看看有版友貼出的新聞
或者單純利用搜尋引擎
http://tw.info.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=ush-news&ei=utf-8&p=mh-60
就會知道MH-60在幹嘛了
連找資料都lag掉
你是沒看你找的新聞還是luke大貼的嗎?
就也只有講到那天而已.而且你找的那個都已經是18號左右的新聞了.
你能確定100% mh-60就只有做這些事嗎?
還是你覺得 mh-60要幹麻新聞都會有講?
我問的問題有爛到需要你浪費版面來貼些屁話嗎?
你要是覺得我不該問,麻煩請你PM或請版主PM我自刪.
有必要這樣嗎?
還是你覺得你水準比我高太多,一定得這樣?
隨便激一下就生氣 ; 就像跟版面某友在國防展聊到的
你就是來這嘴砲罷了
要找資料 , 你更會發現MH-60完全是當MH-53的伴隨機 ; 縱使像你所提到的美軍C4IR能力多強 , 山區還是照迷路 ; 可是看你C4IR能力糟的可以
嘴砲能力強罷了
隨便說說炮兵雷達接個筆電就能戰管 ; 幫個忙 , 看過操作手冊的幾個都說你唬很大
只是別人家不像我這樣直接說你根本是來嘴砲而已
因為我夠直接囉
就別人不能吐你巣??就你能吐別人巢?? 你還拿不出所謂可以看的東西咧
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| 陸戰屋小步兵 |
Posted - 08/24/2009 : 16:57:22
請注意發言態度
戰爭對於國家來說是一件太過嚴重的事情,它會造成巨大破壞並且致人於死,所以不能輕易得把戰爭掛在嘴上 |
| MACOS8 |
Posted - 08/24/2009 : 15:01:04
有一點是不可諱言的, 因為飛航儀器與動力輸出的關係
現有的UH-1H確實受天候氣象條件的影響較大.
再加上空勤總隊的飛行員真的是"很敢"飛, 所以...
我只能說在這種低高度, 複雜地形的環境下, 有時候飛安跟時效性是很難兼顧的 |
| Steve Su |
Posted - 08/24/2009 : 13:28:36
quote:
Originally posted by GMM
但是這是政治的藉口阿
大家都知道UH-1H還能飛還老當力壯
只是慢慢開始進入力不從心的境界
大家都說是飛機老 如果換成全新的同樣機型
那這樣還會抱怨嗎
不是慢慢的飛進力不從心的境界，UH-1H本來就無法勝任一定高度以上的
救難工作。空軍救難中隊在使用S-70C之前用過HH-1H，以前有次三架T-38
撞山的意外HH-1H要去救人也一架摔在山腰上，這種問題本來就存在。
UH-1H的問題如果換了一架也有發動機輸出隨高度遞減的"新機"一樣的問題也
還在。
這次502救難直升機撞到山壁失事，說難聽一點，不管是黑鷹，甚至EH-101或是
PUMA還是眼鏡蛇阿帕契或KA-50也一樣會有機毀人亡的悲劇，不是UH-1H老舊或性
能不足的問題。之前也有架陸航的O機撞上山壁失事機毀人亡，不是換了飛機就
不會再發生一樣的悲劇。
當局有沒有搞清楚狀況，顯然的是非常的沒搞清楚狀況；這就是我說砍黑鷹15架
轉去買救難直升機這種宣布是一種非常沒有認真思考的做秀行為的原因。
尤其那個當過"飛行員"的部長顯然不知道飛機會掉下來是哪些原因。
他只差沒說"飛機哪裡會掉下來"。 |
| GMM |
Posted - 08/24/2009 : 00:07:55
但是這是政治的藉口阿
大家都知道UH-1H還能飛還老當力壯
只是慢慢開始進入力不從心的境界
大家都說是飛機老 如果換成全新的同樣機型
那這樣還會抱怨嗎 |
| qaz9491 |
Posted - 08/23/2009 : 21:49:50
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Su
基本上60架黑鷹到底夠不夠陸軍使用，小弟我是頗質疑的。小弟我
倒是認為，現在花點小錢升級個20~30架UH-1H到HUEY-2的規格，日後
陸軍看是要統一U機都是UH-60M的話，這批HUEY-2轉給空勤總隊也不是不可。
況且HUEY-2的飛行性能沒有UH-1H隨高度遞減的問題也算是解決了空勤總隊對於
UH-1H的抱怨問題，就算沒有要轉交給空勤總隊陸軍保留也沒有壞處。
我還是認為，砍黑鷹數量根本就是作秀，要就砍阿帕契這種平時不知道有幾架
能飛有幾架所有系統都正常都不知道的奢侈品還比較實在。
+1(舉雙手支持) |
| cobrachen |
Posted - 08/23/2009 : 20:23:47
quote:
Originally posted by GMM
UH-1H為人詬病的應該是機齡老舊吧
如果老美說 UH-60不賣
但是幫你重新開生產線生產一模一樣的單引擎UH-1H
那買還是不買...
黎巴𦠫還可以把獵人戰鬥機整修之後重新啟用，我們總是拿機齡老舊當藉口，問題並不在機齡。 |
