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As per mention before, Type 23 was to be designed as cheap and cheerful ASW frigate. Originally it only carry little (or even none in some designs) Seawolf SAM. The Fort Victoria Class Replenishment Vessel will act as their mothership and also provide major point defense with 32-tube Seawolf VL SAM.

After the Falkland war the Brits decided the Type 23 should also have chopper hangar as well as their own point defense ability with VL Seawolf. However they are still being designed as cheap vessel, equipped with many equipments inferior to their ancestor, the Type 22. They are also not being built as a strong vessel, as the Brits originally though they should be retired and replaced after 16 years of service.

For the replacement of the Type 42 Destroyers, some designs are very interesting, including a double-bow design, chopper deck in the middle of the vessel, etc.


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SK2 Posted - 11/17/2010 : 14:38:15
Type 23 was originally being designed to be cheap and cheerful.

The very original design was to move with the Fort Victoria Class Replenishment Ship, with the replenishment ship carrying 5 EH101 ASW choppers. They have no chopper hangar, minimum air defence (light weight quad-pack Seawolf Launcher), Nulka ASW Rocker launcher, and a big towed array sonar. C&C equipments and major air defence (Seawolf VL 32 tubes) was being put into the replenishment vessel instead.

As the design evolve it got everything inside, but it was still being built cheap to have a useful life of 16 years only. That's why some of the Type23 was being decommissioned in early 21st century, and the Brits are more happy to sell them than to refurbish these cheap vessels.


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BlueWhaleMoon Posted - 11/16/2010 : 23:33:36
The Type 22 was designed to be a specialist anti-submarine warfare vessel as part of the Royal Navy's contribution to NATO.

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