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Bryan C |
Posted - 10/09/2011 : 01:08:40 It's the only choice, since back then it was still an analog world..... |
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Posted - 10/08/2011 : 22:29:56 quote: Originally posted by blackknight
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Bryan C |
Posted - 10/08/2011 : 13:41:32 Until late 1980s or mid 1990s, those "signature files" of enemy submarines' noises are all in the head of sonarmen---computers back then isn't that good yet.....
And 20+ years later, torpedoes still don't have those "signature files"...... |
blackknight |
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Posted - 10/05/2011 : 22:50:33 quote: Originally posted by blackknight
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 23:28:34 quote: Originally posted by Captain Picard
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Bryan C |
Posted - 10/01/2011 : 00:25:26 Early generation of guided torpedo suffered from guidance and possible doing a 180 turn and kill the submarine that launches it---after all, the closest noise is the submarine that launches it. Wire guided and "safety range" package later solved it. As for passive sonar on the torpedo, it's useful to some degree, at least give you 2 sources of data to compare, when dealing with decoys or if enemy submarine is really noisy or using active sonar, as long as you have the wire still uncut.
Russia/Soviet was into wake following torpedoes, only later on in 1960s started to have wire guided heavy ASW torpedoes in service, or add wire guided ability to their wake following torpedoes. The problem with wake following torpedo is that it has to have much faster speed than the target(about 50-80+% speed more), since it travels from one end of the target ship's wake in the ocean to another end, really slowly zig-zagging forward at a set degree. And the target ship might use depth charges to break up the ship's wake, or sudden turn at high speed to create "knuckle" in the water to confuse the torpedo. Western Navy initial respond was just floor it, going 33+ knots to get out of the torpedo's range, and let the Soviet/Russia's very noisy SSNs try to play catch up with the prey, and became the prey themselves..... |
Captain Picard |
Posted - 09/30/2011 : 22:56:44 quote: Originally posted by ewings
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Posted - 09/30/2011 : 10:32:20 quote: Originally posted by ewings
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Bryan C |
Posted - 09/30/2011 : 01:38:39 quote: Originally posted by ¶¢¹C¤§¤H
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 23:08:37 quote: Originally posted by blackknight
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:18:38 quote: Originally posted by dasha
quote: Originally posted by blackknight
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 10:14:30 quote: Originally posted by blackknight
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