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cobrachen
管家
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Posted - 11/27/2006 : 10:56:10
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請各位繼續討論。謝謝。 |
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hazelkai
剛剛入門
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 13:45:56
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quote: 因為網路與硬體不是很高檔,護衛我只打算帶2艘(帶5艘逛大街可能變成lag艦隊),4國的CL以哪2艘較好??(1艘大概內定布魯了,我是走美國線不用白不用嘛)
Hard to say. Depends on your sailors' level and your play style. I like to stay at max range and snipe so I like MPro and Mogami. Although if you have high level sailors I'd recommend Cleveland with 8" over a Brook(you can blockshot with US 8").
quote: 另外,砲塔除了L、N、D外,還有一種A型,是怎麼樣的砲塔??(目前不會玩對空,就算有紅線還是看不出敵機高度砲火亂射)
"A" type is your AA/DP gun. You need AA/DP gunners to use those and they usually have higher level requirement than the regualr type. The reload time for "A" type is the fastest. |
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路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
803 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 13:47:15
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還真的當我分不請楚阿= =" 我是在說到底要轉哪邊好啦...
________________________ NavyField ID:richz Ship:DDX 戒急用忍阿... 忍到底還是沒錢呀= =+ ________________________ 大逃殺撐到最後40人^Q^ |
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stroll
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
821 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 14:10:22
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quote: Originally posted by 烈空
還真的當我分不請楚阿= =" 我是在說到底要轉哪邊好啦...
原來是轉路線阿 囧 最近上班上到暈了
這個嘛,各取喜好 北安可以快點上CA,不過要Lv40才有可匹配的砲,然後該路線的BB都是偏慢 布魯這邊48上CA,不過巴爾R位T位都兼顧(對艦火力不差+完整防空圈) CV嘛...17173網一堆說最容易升等,可是我比較喜歡大艦巨砲主義 |
Edited by - stroll on 11/27/2006 14:15:11 |
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stroll
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
821 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 14:55:33
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quote: Originally posted by hazelkai
Hard to say. Depends on your sailors' level and your play style. I like to stay at max range and snipe so I like MPro and Mogami. Although if you have high level sailors I'd recommend Cleveland with 8" over a Brook(you can blockshot with US 8").
"A" type is your AA/DP gun. You need AA/DP gunners to use those and they usually have higher level requirement than the regualr type. The reload time for "A" type is the fastest.
嗯...我大概會選擇中距離交火吧。目前水手等級、中階都還不夠,遠程的命中過低 大概選火力密度最大的最上,或是皮最硬的愛丁堡吧(結果到時候通常是自己先沉掉)
至於防空兵,看到推薦3連砲兵,但是轉砲兵後就要有打才有經驗,保持武管兵吸到高Lv再轉,會不會差很多,還有AAC和AAA哪種比較好(真的有VT信管??) (其實是很希望有自動對空砲,因為自己瞄的實在有夠差) |
Edited by - stroll on 11/27/2006 15:01:20 |
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stroll
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
821 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 16:47:09
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隨便逛逛發現的http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~fuguprez/
這一條可以當上甲參考 装甲 2" 4" 6" 8" 10" 12" 甲板 防4"HE 防6"HE 防8"HE 防12"HE 防14"HE 防16"HE 側面 抗3"HE 抗4"HE 抗5"HE 防6"HE 防7"HE 防8"HE
對了,防空兵到底是擺幾隻??(上甲板的空位是5個,減掉船長、2個砲兵、偵察機就只剩一個了,但是裡面的艦種配置有的卻放2個防空,還是偵察機不用放甲板位??) |
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烈空
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
803 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 19:02:31
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quote: Originally posted by stroll
quote: Originally posted by 烈空
還真的當我分不請楚阿= =" 我是在說到底要轉哪邊好啦...
原來是轉路線阿 囧 最近上班上到暈了
這個嘛,各取喜好 北安可以快點上CA,不過要Lv40才有可匹配的砲,然後該路線的BB都是偏慢 布魯這邊48上CA,不過巴爾R位T位都兼顧(對艦火力不差+完整防空圈) CV嘛...17173網一堆說最容易升等,可是我比較喜歡大艦巨砲主義
現在連385000都湊不出來了.....CA那五十幾萬... 看來還是得DDX到金槓了 終於了解為什麼會有一堆金槓開布魯克林 大概可能跟我一樣吧(只是大概)
對了我今天在北美有看到一個台灣玩家~ 為什麼我這麼確定呢~ 因為它的名字叫做
look3small
你們說他是不是台灣玩家~~呵呵呵~
________________________ NavyField ID:richz Ship:DDX 戒急用忍阿... 忍到底還是沒錢呀= =+ ________________________ 大逃殺撐到最後40人^Q^ |
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stroll
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
821 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 22:42:48
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試著配置布魯,發現上甲程度與亞特差不多,結果想了個怪點子 將香恩霍斯特的配置用在布魯上:
6"/53連裝替換6"/47三裝,火力上會減少4成,不過重量少了近2200噸 這2200噸大約能提升2節/3~4節速度,或是在同速度下升級到CA程度的裝甲
等水手等級上去再試試好了 |
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hazelkai
剛剛入門
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 00:33:45
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quote: 還真的當我分不請楚阿= =" 我是在說到底要轉哪邊好啦...
Go with Brook. North Hampton is a weak CA(although it can remodel to New Orlean which is a great CA and you can load that up with armor). Baltimore is a much better choice in the long run. Big engine space and can use blockshot US 8".
quote: 嗯...我大概會選擇中距離交火吧。目前水手等級、中階都還不夠,遠程的命中過低 大概選火力密度最大的最上,或是皮最硬的愛丁堡吧(結果到時候通常是自己先沉掉)
Edinburgh is a great choice if you like to dogfight. You can load that up with armor(expensive but UK armor is cheap) and use high angle guns. I think Edin can use UK 8" too and you can blockshot with that.
In a Mogami you'll probably use the second set of 7.9(7.9C/D) at first until you get 8E/D. The second set of 7.9" is a decent gun with ok damage but the spread is terrible with low level, non-boost, non-vet gunners. The only way to fight with bad gunners is to get close but Mogami has bad armor and can't take too much damage.
quote: 至於防空兵,看到推薦3連砲兵,但是轉砲兵後就要有打才有經驗,保持武管兵吸到高Lv再轉,會不會差很多,還有AAC和AAA哪種比較好(真的有VT信管??) (其實是很希望有自動對空砲,因為自己瞄的實在有夠差)
Switch as soon as possible or you'll lose ability point. They'll still gain exp even if you put them in the support slots. AAC does less damage but you can carry more ammo. AAA does more damage but you don't get as much ammo. I go with AAA because with low level AA gunners your chances of hitting a plane is small so higher damage is better here. Most T-slots have room for you to carry enough binds so I wouldn't worry about running out.
Oh btw don't waste money on armor on anything less than a CA(unless you're playing as UK). You won't have enough displacement to hang enough armor to make a difference plus you'll be slower due to the extra weight(in NF speed & range = survival). Max out your recruits and get more experts to increase your soft defense. The only armor you'll need on DD and CL is a little bit of bulkhead and bulge. Maybe 0.1" of deck and belt to keep your sailors from being kill. |
Edited by - hazelkai on 11/28/2006 05:47:23 |
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路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
803 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 02:16:38
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quote: Originally posted by stroll
試著配置布魯,發現上甲程度與亞特差不多,結果想了個怪點子 將香恩霍斯特的配置用在布魯上:
6"/53連裝替換6"/47三裝,火力上會減少4成,不過重量少了近2200噸 這2200噸大約能提升2節/3~4節速度,或是在同速度下升級到CA程度的裝甲
等水手等級上去再試試好了
問題是你CL這麼大一個目標 再快也快不到哪去呀? 除非你有個65級以上的引擎兵
________________________ NavyField ID:richz Ship:DDX 戒急用忍阿... 忍到底還是沒錢呀= =+ ________________________ 大逃殺撐到最後40人^Q^ |
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stroll
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
821 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 08:15:50
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quote: Originally posted by hazelkai
Switch as soon as possible or you'll lose ability point. They'll still gain exp even if you put them in the support slots.
嗯?我記得轉成砲兵等職業後,都要該水手有擊中目標才有經驗 假設以Lv75為準(再上去難喔),3連砲兵比武管兵多350的重發(約1250/1600),有很大差異嗎?(砲兵非打經驗的升級比武管能吸經驗的升級要慢)
quote: Originally posted by 烈空
問題是你CL這麼大一個目標 再快也快不到哪去呀? 除非你有個65級以上的引擎兵
本來就快不到哪去啊,只是在CL-DD艦團裡比較能跟上,裝成重甲則當作誘餌吸引敵火由我方其餘船艦支援砲火(不過這玩法在那邊大概沒用,BB一輪砲擊還是去當潛艦) |
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hazelkai
剛剛入門
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 08:59:25
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quote: 嗯?我記得轉成砲兵等職業後,都要該水手有擊中目標才有經驗 假設以Lv75為準(再上去難喔),3連砲兵比武管兵多350的重發(約1250/1600),有很大差異嗎?(砲兵非打經驗的升級比武管能吸經驗的升級要慢)
Any sailors(with exception of torpedo man) can earn exp in support slots. Shooting down planes in R-slots will give you more exp and credit of course.
Reload doesn't really matter once you reach higher level due to a reload cap. If you don't promote your sailors to AA gunners at the right level your AAW stats will suffer(@lvl 75 that's about 850 vs 1780) and you won't be able to use "A" type guns which sometimes are the only one that would fit in T-slots since they're don't take up as much space as the regular type. |
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stroll
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
821 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 09:47:09
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quote: Originally posted by hazelkai
Any sailors(with exception of torpedo man) can earn exp in support slots. Shooting down planes in R-slots will give you more exp and credit of course.
Reload doesn't really matter once you reach higher level due to a reload cap. If you don't promote your sailors to AA gunners at the right level your AAW stats will suffer(@lvl 75 that's about 850 vs 1780) and you won't be able to use "A" type guns which sometimes are the only one that would fit in T-slots since they're don't take up as much space as the regular type.
晚點再試試好了(以前好像沒有試過把砲兵擺補助位) 不過A砲塔好像也沒有非常需要(其實T位空間大多夠),用3連砲兵的超高速來亂槍打鳥吧=3= (轉AA砲兵會減重發) 還有防砲兵該擺幾隻??(雖然很多網站都有船圖,但是卻沒有水手擺位圖)偵查兵放補助位就可以嗎?? |
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hazelkai
剛剛入門
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 10:23:28
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quote: 還有防砲兵該擺幾隻??(雖然很多網站都有船圖,但是卻沒有水手擺位圖)偵查兵放補助位就可以嗎??
Each T-slots need an AA guners for the guns to work. You only need 1 rookie pilot in support slot to launch scout. To launch 2 planes just increase the number of plane for each flight. |
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烈空
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
803 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 16:51:24
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quote: Originally posted by stroll
quote: Originally posted by 烈空
問題是你CL這麼大一個目標 再快也快不到哪去呀? 除非你有個65級以上的引擎兵
本來就快不到哪去啊,只是在CL-DD艦團裡比較能跟上,裝成重甲則當作誘餌吸引敵火由我方其餘船艦支援砲火(不過這玩法在那邊大概沒用,BB一輪砲擊還是去當潛艦)
在北美DD/CL戰的話~ 大部分都是以CL為主 頂多DD魚雷船衝出去~ 不然一般DD衝出去都會被金槓CL打爆= = 然後那些金槓CL速度大多都在31~34節左右 所以~還好囉~太快也只是讓自己變靶心罷囉~~呵呵^Q^
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烈空
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
803 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 19:59:15
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NF北美 亞利桑那又當了說~~ 好像不到兩個禮拜就當了兩次說~~ 上線人數太多?? 剛剛才摸邊邊幹掉兩台Oyodo說~ 27XX元^Q^ 經驗值也是2XXX 我都走上方摸邊邊~ 主要就是跟主力隊伍相反~~ 因為他們會把CV趕到另一邊呵呵^Q^~~好HIGH呀~ 兩艘百分之80都我打的~~HIGH^Q^
________________________ NavyField ID:richz Ship:DDX 戒急用忍阿... 忍到底還是沒錢呀= =+ ________________________ 大逃殺撐到最後40人^Q^ |
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烈空
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
803 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2006 : 01:43:17
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怎麼辦...我NF這兩天超LAG的~ 畫面還會定格 害我打CV Hunt 的時候4枚魚雷全中CV 對方還剩下4XXX的血 但是LAG阿...砲沒法打....超無言的拉= = 不然近距離三次齊發就是我的了說="=
另外日本的金剛跟英國的復仇者(Revenge..沒錯吧) 還真像呢~ 之前有看到說~金剛好像是日本跟英國買的是嗎?? 如果是的話~~ 就可以解釋為啥他們那麼像囉 ________________________ NavyField ID:richz Ship:DDX 戒急用忍阿... 忍到底還是沒錢呀= =+ ________________________ 大逃殺撐到最後40人^Q^ |
Edited by - 烈空 on 11/29/2006 02:34:29 |
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stroll
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
821 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2006 : 08:21:30
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quote: Originally posted by 烈空
另外日本的金剛跟英國的復仇者(Revenge..沒錯吧) 還真像呢~ 之前有看到說~金剛好像是日本跟英國買的是嗎?? 如果是的話~~ 就可以解釋為啥他們那麼像囉
金剛的確是英造艦,之後則都是日自造艦 不過說是BB,也不過是BC程度 但是阿拉若對上它恐怕也不好打(射程幾乎一樣,14"*8管與12"*9管單位時間火力差不多,剩下看雙方的操艦能力和補助兵)
話說Lv37的精砲手果然還是不大行阿,6"/47光是打到視線附近就和一艘阿拉一樣散 不過威力卻十足呢,15發重HE光k中4枚就能爆掉1500DP |
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stroll
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
821 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2006 : 08:36:54
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還是要問一下 拿到偵查機是很好啦,不過一下子要顧兩邊也更加手忙腳亂了(有時以為點了船正在操艦,卻是將飛機叫到那位置) 若是要讓偵查返艦,要如何作?(圈飛機後點船艦?)
還有護衛艦跟隨,遇到敵艦它是會自動衝上去打呢?還是說旗艦有先開火它才會有反應呢? |
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ghostwolf
路人甲乙丙
2415 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2006 : 08:59:42
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網路速度還是有差, 最近幾天連線都連不上去(1M速率cable modem.....), 遊戲程式都當機當在使用者同意畫面 可能要等到週末用家裡的網路才有辦法玩. |
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Meins
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
1529 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2006 : 12:38:47
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quote: Originally posted by stroll
quote: Originally posted by 烈空
另外日本的金剛跟英國的復仇者(Revenge..沒錯吧) 還真像呢~ 之前有看到說~金剛好像是日本跟英國買的是嗎?? 如果是的話~~ 就可以解釋為啥他們那麼像囉
金剛的確是英造艦,之後則都是日自造艦 不過說是BB,也不過是BC程度 但是阿拉若對上它恐怕也不好打(射程幾乎一樣,14"*8管與12"*9管單位時間火力差不多,剩下看雙方的操艦能力和補助兵)
金剛的源流可以看作英國老戰巡Lion的改版, 兩者的原始防禦與速度性能差不多, 但是金剛有主砲口徑大且配置良好的優點. (改裝過後就差很多了--雖然裝甲沒有上升多少, 但是速度更快.) 該級四艘戰艦(巡)中, 金剛在英國本土的Barrow-in-Furness造船廠由Vickers公司建造, 其他三艘則在日本的橫須賀海軍工廠, 三菱重工長崎造船廠與神戶川崎重工造船廠建造.
至於R級戰艦則是將Queen Elizabeth級高速戰艦降低速度的版本, 機關出力剩下QE的一半, 但是火力與防禦力等級完全與QE相同.
Alaska則又是完全不同的產物, 原始設計是拿來對抗日本超甲巡的-- 但是也因此它的裝甲極少, 碰上戰艦砲就是一定貫穿. (雖然金剛也是一樣--8in主裝甲帶連擋近距離的8in砲都有問題了....) |
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stroll
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
821 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2006 : 14:21:39
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http://www.kasado.net/blog/2006/11/nf_2.html 看完後美國玩家真是有夠悶的
以前一堆人說"英國短,英國短",結果美國更短(沒辦法,14"比15"小)(英國再短也普遍有27,美國才25.5,最短連20都沒有Orz) 再加上引擎又小,在還沒到Lv70(雖然66就可以拿,但是砲位不夠大,都要到1943年型以後)可以拿16"MK2連裝前,難道只能拿12"MK8勉強湊著用嗎 |
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A.G
路人甲乙丙
2520 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2006 : 16:16:15
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不要相信不實的東西OTZ.美國的砲彈集中度很高的OTZ.有事沒事就是1顆8吋密集就招呼過來了.短規短.但是集中度.........
我到9號才能上去XD.所以我上去就準備買M啦XDDDDD(36了XD).連休2天XD.所以37的M.我來了~~~~~~~~~
偵察喔.基本上要切換的話.英文模式下的1是切換機體畫面.G是回到船艦不過要先讓他空白才能.護衛艦的話.你實際打了就會看到了(相信我.你不會想要帶的......) |
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stroll
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
821 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2006 : 16:24:35
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quote: Originally posted by A.G
不要相信不實的東西OTZ.美國的砲彈集中度很高的OTZ.有事沒事就是1顆8吋密集就招呼過來了.短規短.但是集中度.........
偵察喔.基本上要切換的話.英文模式下的1是切換機體畫面.G是回到船艦不過要先讓他空白才能.護衛艦的話.你實際打了就會看到了(相信我.你不會想要帶的......)
集中喔...那要轉2精以上才夠嗎?低等的砲手現在還是非常散(計畫是精連連砲手) 另外我是玩HK,美版的偵察機操作用法有沒有相同還不清楚(有個hotkey表是說enter旁的"鍵是返航) 為什麼不會想帶阿多個幫手不是更好嗎?(難道沒幫到反而變成拖油瓶) |
Edited by - stroll on 11/29/2006 16:30:59 |
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烈空
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
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Posted - 11/29/2006 : 18:12:59
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炮手~我轉的裝填手 散到還好耶~當然啦15度以上都運氣~"~ 不過15度以下我覺得都還滿準的呵呵~~
AG大!!!! 我想看你的文章拉~~ 不要鎖密碼啦!!
________________________ NavyField ID:richz Ship:DDX 戒急用忍阿... 忍到底還是沒錢呀= =+ ________________________ 大逃殺撐到最後40人^Q^ |
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烈空
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
803 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2006 : 18:23:08
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quote: Originally posted by A.G
不要相信不實的東西OTZ.美國的砲彈集中度很高的OTZ.有事沒事就是1顆8吋密集就招呼過來了.短規短.但是集中度.........
我到9號才能上去XD.所以我上去就準備買M啦XDDDDD(36了XD).連休2天XD.所以37的M.我來了~~~~~~~~~
偵察喔.基本上要切換的話.英文模式下的1是切換機體畫面.G是回到船艦不過要先讓他空白才能.護衛艦的話.你實際打了就會看到了(相信我.你不會想要帶的......)
好好喔 M計畫只要225000真便宜 為什麼布魯要385K拉... 人家也賺到225K拉 給人家布魯啦~人家要布魯啦嗚嗚嗚~(地上打滾貌)
算了...現在只希望畫面不要再定格下去了.... 不然阿...光沉船費就很麻煩了...
________________________ NavyField ID:richz Ship:DDX 戒急用忍阿... 忍到底還是沒錢呀= =+ ________________________ 大逃殺撐到最後40人^Q^ |
Edited by - 烈空 on 11/29/2006 19:23:02 |
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