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rockitten
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Australia
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Posted - 02/02/2011 :  15:47:03  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send rockitten a Private Message
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chi na is using their government authority to forcing other province to supply those cities at a price below production cost, so I wonder how can Taiwan's produces be able to be competitive unless it is for political purposes.....

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¶¢¹C¤§¤H
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rockitten
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Australia
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Posted - 02/02/2011 :  16:58:49  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send rockitten a Private Message
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to be honest, the independence of Taiwan is probably the best "¥xÆW¬F©²ªº¬Fµ¦" to support Taiwanese businessmen in Chi na as that provide them "political value" to make chi na give them good bargains.....
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However, I am still against that (relying on the "political value") as that's not a healthy "soil" for development/upgrade of Taiwan's economic and industry

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zxm1984
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Posted - 02/02/2011 :  17:42:30  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send HOTARU a Private Message
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zxm1984
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Posted - 02/02/2011 :  18:28:41  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send ID¤w§R°£ a Private Message
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rockitten
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Australia
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Posted - 02/02/2011 :  18:32:27  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send rockitten a Private Message
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Originally posted by HOTARU


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I totally agree with you especially about the safety of the food between Taiwan and chi na

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ZPLUSC1
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Posted - 02/02/2011 :  20:04:02  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send ZPLUSC1 a Private Message
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Posted - 02/02/2011 :  20:44:36  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send GMM a Private Message
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rockitten
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Posted - 02/03/2011 :  01:50:52  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send rockitten a Private Message
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one thing I totally don't understand: why all Taiwanese resturants put so much MSG into their dishes?
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most of the "best stuff"/ "safe stuff" made in chi na are for exports, that is one of the reason why those tourist from chi na are so crazy shopping....even those stuff are actually made in chi na

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chi na is using their government authority to forcing other province to supply those cities at a price below production cost, so I wonder how can Taiwan's produces be able to be competitive unless it is for political purposes.....




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Posted - 02/03/2011 :  13:39:38  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send rockitten a Private Message
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chi na is using their government authority to forcing other province to supply those cities at a price below production cost, so I wonder how can Taiwan's produces be able to be competitive unless it is for political purposes.....



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why the best/safest stuff are for export is because the quality/safety check in those importing nations (such as Japan, US, Australia....etc) are much more tough then those in chi na and nearly impossible to bribe........
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many import/export permit are controlled by those government officials, so if you have the "back door", it is easy, if not, hard....

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Posted - 02/03/2011 :  13:51:34  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Visit Bryan C's Homepage Send Bryan C a Private Message
In US, some of those fit for export fruits from China can be found in few Chinese markets, at the cheapest rock bottom price, and nobody touches them---because they aren't that good. One time saw some peaches from China was selling 19 cents a pound, that's about 13 NTD per kilo---aren't enough to cover shipping cost to US, and those peaches doesn't look that good after the long trip either.
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Posted - 02/03/2011 :  14:06:55  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send rockitten a Private Message
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One time saw some peaches from China was selling 19 cents a pound, that's about 13 NTD per kilo---aren't enough to cover shipping cost to US, and those peaches doesn't look that good after the long trip either.


that is one of the reason why many nations believe chi na has violated trade laws such as dumping(¶É¾P)
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and personally, I do believe chi na does violated that

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Posted - 02/03/2011 :  14:53:59  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send ªì¤ßªÌ a Private Message
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why the best/safest stuff are for export is because the quality/safety check in those importing nations (such as Japan, US, Australia....etc) are much more tough then those in chi na and nearly impossible to bribe........
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many import/export permit are controlled by those government officials, so if you have the "back door", it is easy, if not, hard....



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