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user72011
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 17:09:56
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rockitten
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 17:12:27
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quote: Originally posted by Nordland
quote: Originally posted by rockitten
original text: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/security/rudd-the-butt-of-wikileaks-expos-20101205-18lf2.html "In a wide-ranging conversation Mr Rudd:
Described himself as ''a brutal realist on China'' and said Australian intelligence agencies closely watched its military expansion.
Said the goal must be to integrate China into the international community, ''while also preparing to deploy force if everything goes wrong''.
Characterised Chinese leaders as ''sub-rational and deeply emotional'' about Taiwan."
subrational = ¤£¤Ó²z©Ê deeply emotional = ±¡ºü¤Æ/·P±¡¥Î¨Æ
when it goes to chi na times: http://news.chinatimes.com/focus/50107437/112010120600081.html "¤£¹L¡A³°§J¤å«ü¥X¡A¤¤°ê»â¾É¤H¹ï¥xÆW©M¦èÂÃijÃDªººA«×¤´¦³·L§®®t²§¡A¥L̹ï¥xÆWijÃDªº¤ÏÀ³¬Oªñ¥G²z©Ê¡A¤]¬O²`´Ó±¡·Pªº¡A¦Ó¹ï¦èÂ꺱jµw¬Fµ¦«h¬Oºë¤ß³]p¡An¹ï¨ä¥L¤Ö¼Æ¥Á±Ú¶Ç¹F©ú½Tªº°T®§¡C" - chi na times, what's a "creative" translator you are.........
You know, dude, I think your judgment may have been clouded by your anti-Chinese mentality. You seem to be seeing things only the way you want to see them.
Sub-rational means "almost" rational, but not entirely so. That is, not as calculating and devoid of emotions. It certainly does not equal to "¤£¤Ó²z©Ê", which conveys a much more negative sense than the word "sub-rational" truly does.
And "deeply emotional" meanings just that, they're "full of emotions". Such emotions, or sentiments, can be either positive or negative, depending on the context. But either way, it is far from "being governed by emotions (±¡ºü¤Æ/·P±¡¥Î¨Æ)" as you interpret it.
All in all, the translator has not been quite wrong, but I'm afraid the same cannot be said about you.
well......in the whole paragraph, Mr Rudd also said China was "paranoid" on the question of Tibet and Taiwan, so I don't think that "positive side" of the meaning really applies. And in fact, even chi na times in later news such as this one: http://news.chinatimes.com/mainland/0,5245,50505657x112010120600160,00.html
the translation has become: "³°§J¤å¨º®ÉÔÁ٧ήe¡A¤¤°ê»â¾É¤H¹ï¥xÆWijÃD¡u«D±`±¡ºü¤Æ¡A¥B¤£¤Ó¦³²z©Ê¡v¡C"
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SleeplessPrometheus
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 17:24:21
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pcgamer
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 17:28:35
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pcgamer
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 17:34:02
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SleeplessPrometheus
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 17:40:47
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rockitten
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 17:41:39
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quote: Originally posted by pcgamer
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ian125
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 20:08:26
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HOTARU
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 21:32:21
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Nordland
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 21:58:06
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quote: Originally posted by rockitten
well......in the whole paragraph, Mr Rudd also said China was "paranoid" on the question of Tibet and Taiwan, so I don't think that "positive side" of the meaning really applies. And in fact, even chi na times in later news such as this one: http://news.chinatimes.com/mainland/0,5245,50505657x112010120600160,00.html
the translation has become: "³°§J¤å¨º®ÉÔÁ٧ήe¡A¤¤°ê»â¾É¤H¹ï¥xÆWijÃD¡u«D±`±¡ºü¤Æ¡A¥B¤£¤Ó¦³²z©Ê¡v¡C"
I beg to differ. Maybe China Times was just using another translator who sees things the same way as you.
Rudd's words can be intepreted both ways if you ask me. You can either see it in a relatively more positive light, or paint a drasticly bleak picture of it. It's all up to you, and in the end it is your ideology that dictates your intepretation. If Rudd is indeed as a "brutal realist" as he claims himself to be, his true meaning should be lying somewhere between the two opposites.
Anyway, what he really meant does not interest me. The only point I want to make is that, you should translate as faithfully as can be, and please do not take the words for more than their worth.
quote: subrational = ¤£¤Ó²z©Ê deeply emotional = ±¡ºü¤Æ/·P±¡¥Î¨Æ
In my opinion, these are not faithful translation of Rudd's words.
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ian125
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 22:10:44
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quote: Originally posted by HOTARU
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 23:47:36
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Posted - 12/07/2010 : 00:07:09
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Posted - 12/07/2010 : 00:24:08
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Posted - 12/07/2010 : 01:24:49
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SleeplessPrometheus
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Posted - 12/07/2010 : 02:39:24
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Posted - 12/07/2010 : 08:25:48
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MACOS8
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Posted - 12/07/2010 : 09:18:19
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quote: Originally posted by Reinherd Von Hwang´£·þ
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Posted - 12/07/2010 : 11:19:14
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