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Posted - 07/01/2011 :  02:32:23  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Click to see blackknight's MSN Messenger address Send blackknight a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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toga
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Posted - 07/01/2011 :  11:22:14  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send toga a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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A. Eurofighter Typhoon
* Clean configuration, from brake-off to 40,000 fts: 60 to 70 seconds.
* QRA configuration (six to eight AAMs + two 1,000L tanks), from brake-off to 40,000 fts: 90 seconds.

B. Rafale M F1
* QRA configuration (four AAMs + one 1,250L tanks), from brake-off to 40,000 fts: in 2 mins.

C. F-16C Block50
* Clean configuration, from brake-off to 40,000 fts: around 2 mins.

D. F-15E (F100-PW229)
* Clean configuration, from brake-off to 30,000 fts: 1 min 20 secs.

E. JAS-39C Gripen
* Clean (?) configuration, from brake-off to 31,800 fts: 1 min 40 secs.
* Clean (?) configuration, from brake-off to 45,900 fts: 3 mins.

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Edited by - toga on 07/01/2011 11:27:12
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dasha
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Posted - 07/01/2011 :  15:56:03  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send dasha a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
¥i¯à­n¥ý¬Ý¬Ý©w¸q......
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rockitten
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Posted - 07/01/2011 :  20:57:56  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send rockitten a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
quote:
Originally posted by dasha

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it depends on how the aircraft and engine designed for, some design optimized for low level can have very good clime rate on the first 10000ft, soso on 10000~20000ft and shit on above, some are just soso until reaching 25000~+ ft....

and Mirage III, 2000 and 4000 's engines are all optimized for high attitude designs........and so they only say 50000ft, rather than their just so so numbers on 20000ft

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dasha
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Posted - 07/01/2011 :  21:04:00  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send dasha a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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toga
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Tajikistan
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Posted - 08/07/2011 :  11:44:09  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send toga a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Edited by - toga on 08/07/2011 11:45:34
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toga
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Tajikistan
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Posted - 08/12/2011 :  14:36:10  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send toga a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
quote:
Originally posted by dasha

¥i¯à­n¥ý¬Ý¬Ý©w¸q......
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Edited by - toga on 08/12/2011 14:45:23
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