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| Mi-28 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 10:38:45
之前版上有人討認到NEET，說日本有很多NEET，
我在想，是什麼樣的環境會產生出NEET。
該不會是過度都市化、科技化帶來的負面影響吧!?
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| Bryan C |
Posted - 03/09/2011 : 12:36:51
quote:
Originally posted by dasha
quote:
Originally posted by 玖羽
Visio多麼簡單，還用特意學嗎
小弟碰過拿iPhone與盜版MS Office(for Windows)來問怎樣在iPhone上使用的人......
另一種狀況是求職時要你拿證書出來證明你學過,不過這就不是自學可以做到的,你就是要乖乖拿錢去某些地方報到換那張紙.
吉屋出售
台北縣板橋市大觀路一二樓公寓,接近國小至大學各級學校及公車總站,離捷運及板橋車站不遠.
詳情請洽0931043559田小姐
For Excel, Access and Visio, I don't have the certificate, but have stuff on USB flash drive ready to prove beyond a doubt that I can do those "low level" clerical word processing, spread sheets and charts stuff---being doing those things since Word Perfect, Lotus 123 and Dbase 2 era while I was in high school....
More than one time I fixed the interviewer's computer on the spot and got the job..... |
| 玖羽 |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 14:30:21
這有一篇從另一個角度講日本失業問題的文章
http://www.bullock.cn/blogs/ird/
quote:
這個嚴重的失業問題當然是因為企業接受員工的能力有限而產生的。那麼企業為什麼會不要人呢？因為企業沒有活幹了當然也就不需要幹活的人了。日本總勞動人口的70%以上是由中小企業雇傭的，因此，如果中小企業在經營上有了困難的話立即就會影響到雇傭市場。
日本中小企業的經營困難來源於日本制造業特有的以大企業為首，下面按照一次、二次零部件供應商的形式組織起來的這種金字塔式的構造。這種金字塔式的構造使得大企業有足夠活力的時候，能夠集中多方面的技術和加工能力完成它們沒必要親自動手的加工，這樣，大企業可以專心於開發新產品而且那些中小企業能夠節省營業時間從而專心於提高加工能力和加工技術，反過來又能給大企業新產品的開發提供更加雄厚的後備支持。
但是現在，大企業的經營發生了問題。日元升值使得日本制品在價格競爭上處於極為不利的地位，通過技術革新或者工藝革新向內部挖潛能夠解決一點問題，推出無法比價的新產品是另一條道路。但這兩條路都不容易，首先內部挖潛是一個緩慢的過程，無法應付像日元升值這種突如其來、類似於恐怖襲擊似的問題，要知道，廣場協議後半年內日元就升值了一倍。其次，推出新產品也同樣需要較長時間才能得到市場，因為日本的所謂新產品不是完全革命性的新產品，幾乎都是在現有產品的基礎上加以改善形成的，一剎那就能拿出讓用戶不計金錢就購買的新產品不太現實。
留給日本大企業的，就只有依靠轉移生產據點來降低零部件價格，從而改善一點日本制品在價格競爭上的劣勢，同時努力開發新產品這一條路了。轉移生產據點也屬於無奈之舉，因為這種舉動直接就意味著日本的廣大中小企業沒米下鍋了。當年豐田拒絕中方有關在中國組裝皇冠轎車的舉動的思想根源實際上就是想保日本的就業率。日本的汽車產業和電子產業長年以來一直和美國人扯的皮實際上也是這個，並不僅僅是大公司賺多少錢的問題。
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所以，在上次的國際金融危機中，雖然日本幾乎沒有直接吃到次貸壞賬的倒賬，但經濟也一蹶不振，其原因就在這裏。產生這個後果的原因用一句話表述，即次貸危機引起的金融危機使全世界購買力萎縮，市場縮水造成的直接後果是日本大企業經營情況惡化，連帶中小企業開工不足甚至倒閉。大企業就是這樣影響著經濟系統的運作，在大企業為了自保而轉移生產據點的時候，所發生的情況和產生的後果也是如此。
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但這只是大企業總部的統計數據，只具有數字上的意義。確實這些大企業的產值是那個數字，盈利也是那個數字，但這些數字的背景和過去不同了。過去是除了盈利之外，企業產值的成本部分全部落在了各個日本企業手裏，工資開支也是發給日本人，肉爛在鍋裏，整個日本經濟都得到了好處。而現在呢？外購的零部件和勞務發生在國外，這部分成本支出所活躍的是外國的經濟，還要向外國政府交納稅金，向外國雇員發工資。雖然外國員工比日本國內員工的工資低，可那是百分之百地在國外消費，和日本夢寐以求的國內需求不沾邊，更不要說發給國外員工的那部分工資實際上是節約下來的日本國內員工的工資，對日本國內消費的貢獻是負數。
這就是產業空洞化的本質。轉移生產據點可能使某些企業能夠更加盈利，但國家收不到稅，增加出來的那部分稅金是交給外國政府的，本國收不到，再加上本來承擔那些被轉移了的生產量的企業陷入了開工不足甚至破產倒閉的境地，這就使得政府喪失了那部分本來能夠收繳的稅金，使得國家稅收減少更為加劇。比如這兩年日本的國家稅收就只能應付歲出的一半，而減少了稅收的國家面臨著比原來還大的支出負擔，國內的失業率上升至少意味著國家能收繳到的失業保險金的下降和必須支付給更多的人失業救濟金。
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並不是所有的產業轉移都是壞事，在受控的條件下轉移產業不但可以提高企業的盈利，也可以把節省下來的資源投入到新興產業，從而形成良好的產品開發循環。但這種所謂“受控”僅僅是理論上的東西，實際上是不可能實現的，再加上日本大企業在這十來年裏向國外轉移零配件和勞務成了一窩蜂的舉動，把日本中小企業賴以活命的那部分給挖空了，因此國內除了經濟蕭條問題之外，出現了嚴重的、找不到解決辦法的社會問題。
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這種被稱做“現地生產”的生產方式，不但減少了日本和投資國之間的摩擦，而且為投資企業帶來了更多的好處，因為可以使用當地相對廉價的勞動力，減少了運輸開銷，設立了品牌的當地性。總之，對生產企業本身來說起碼沒有壞處。
但是對日本來說就不一定是這樣了。美國之所以接受這種方式，是因為美國能從這種方式中得到改善就業率的好處，而這一點則絕對是一個零和關系，不存在雙贏。美國就業率的改善就意味著日本就業率的惡化。
但在上世紀80年代的時候，日本人並沒有認為這是個問題或者認為這會成為一個問題，因為當時的日本人沒有就業率的惡化會趨向一個不可控制的方向的經驗。所以，在汽車和半導體行業在北美大規模進行現地生產之後，其他行業在世界其他地方也主動進行現地生產的實驗，特別是在廣場協議之後，日元大幅度升值，幾乎所有的日本出口行業都采取了這一做法。其結果就是國內制造業，尤其是中小制造業嚴重開工不足，國民收入普遍下降。作為對策的就是利用日元升值的優勢增大進口以填補國民收入的下降，而這種進口又誘發了其他非出口產業的收益下降甚至萎縮，這樣，國民收入進一步下降，也就是形成了一個無法脫身的通貨緊縮的惡性循環。
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「歷史是一座畫廊，其中的仿製品很多，而原作很少。」
——Alexis de Tocqueville |
| SK2 |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 14:27:49
quote:
Originally posted by dasha
另一種狀況是求職時要你拿證書出來證明你學過,不過這就不是自學可以做到的,你就是要乖乖拿錢去某些地方報到換那張紙.
The evil M$ empire has created many courses with many certificates to turn you to an "expert" after attending those courses, which "proves" your ability officially.
In reality, we all know...
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Only champagne produced in Champagne can be called as champagne. Non-Champagne champagnes aren't real champagnes. |
| dasha |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 14:18:11
昨晚才聽到日本的新消息:招募大學畢業新生的職位,到農村工作,包吃包住每個月十萬日幣,匯率算來是每個月三萬多台幣,但以購買力來說卻只有一萬台幣左右,而且這種工作當然是從早到晚而不是一天八小時......
難怪NEET會是日本的社會現象,這是便利商店打工等級的月薪,可是工作時間長得多也沒有自由,沒有急錢的人去做的意願不高......
吉屋出售
台北縣板橋市大觀路一二樓公寓,接近國小至大學各級學校及公車總站,離捷運及板橋車站不遠.
詳情請洽0931043559田小姐 |
| dasha |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 14:10:46
quote:
Originally posted by 玖羽
Visio多麼簡單，還用特意學嗎
小弟碰過拿iPhone與盜版MS Office(for Windows)來問怎樣在iPhone上使用的人......
另一種狀況是求職時要你拿證書出來證明你學過,不過這就不是自學可以做到的,你就是要乖乖拿錢去某些地方報到換那張紙.
吉屋出售
台北縣板橋市大觀路一二樓公寓,接近國小至大學各級學校及公車總站,離捷運及板橋車站不遠.
詳情請洽0931043559田小姐 |
| 玖羽 |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 13:50:00
Visio多麼簡單，還用特意學嗎
－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－
「歷史是一座畫廊，其中的仿製品很多，而原作很少。」
——Alexis de Tocqueville |
| Snap |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 13:44:03
quote:
Originally posted by BlueWhaleMoon
王建煊聖人真該看看Bryan C兄的經歷.
建煊聖人和家同聖人都是那個「萬般皆下品，唯有讀書高」的年代出來的，所以才會有「可以去當泥水工，但是生活會比較辛苦」的說法。
個人的感覺是那個年代的長輩只會要後輩拼命唸書，但是唸什麼或是唸了何去何從，似乎都沒有概念，最多是人云亦云而已。 |
| von_Guo |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 13:28:44
>>> ...also means I missed out on all the activities after school. <<<
This can miss out on drugs, alcohol, fool-around, self-indulgence ... etc too
Life is a trade-off. You gain something and you lose something. All depends on which you choose. |
| dasha |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 10:20:19
quote:
Originally posted by BlueWhaleMoon
王建煊聖人真該看看Bryan C兄的經歷.
所以說台灣這些老的教出NEET......
吉屋出售
台北縣板橋市大觀路一二樓公寓,接近國小至大學各級學校及公車總站,離捷運及板橋車站不遠.
詳情請洽0931043559田小姐 |
| Bryan C |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 08:36:55
It's really nothing, all the kids in America were doing the same----since teenagers only make the minimum wage due to they don't have any work experiences at all. US also check on the number of hours teenagers younger than 18 can work, and you have to have work permit from school district each year in order to get any job, during school year and summer vacation period.
As for my time as forced child labor in Taiwan, from first grade to 2nd year of junior high, there's some good things too---I got to stay with my grandmother(mother side) and she pretty much let me stay up late----and was able to enjoy and watched "Star Trek" at 10pm(few years later became Battlestar Galactica series) , with late night snacks and candies, and got to sleep-in on weekends (usually had to wake up at 4 or 5 in the morning to do the works around the house and farm, on weekends she let us sleep until 7am). She didn't watch TV much, so I got the TV to all myself. Back in my house, just 2 TV for 3 kids and parents and grandma, uncle and his wife, and kids never win in the adult's TV battles.....
The fast food restaurants offering half price meals for employees and free meal for good performances, it was required to eat the discounted or free meal right at the restaurant, and can only have 1 such meal per day. But we usually took it home---I didn't get to eat much of the food in the restaurant, because my sisters loved those foods and I had to sneak the meals home. Back then we were trying to save money to buy the first home in US, with cash. So my mom was happy that we kids able to help out with the cash flow while we looked for the house on the market. For the same reason, we didn't go out for dining much. So the discounted or free meal from the restaurant was very much sought after by my sisters, while I ate my dinner at home---free breakfast and free lunch taken care of at school where I worked.
But spending all that time working in high school also means I missed out on all the activities after school. Didn't even bother to get SAT cram sessions in 10th and 11th grade, but still got high enough score.... |
| BlueWhaleMoon |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 03:48:04
王建煊聖人真該看看Bryan C兄的經歷.
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| Bryan C |
Posted - 03/06/2011 : 11:46:57
Also US fast food restaurants, they usually offer 1/2 price food for employees, and some offers all you can drink free soda. They also reward hard working employees with free food vouchers. Most of the fast food chain restaurants aren't directly own by the company, but franchisee that might own 5-20+ of the same chain fast food restaurants in the area/state. To ensure that employees and managers doing a good job, those franchisee company would send out "secret shoppers", people posing as regular customers that will visit those fast food restaurants and gives reviews on food quality, customer service, speed, cleanliness of dining area, bathrooms, parking lots, drive through service speed, ect....
So usually which employee got named in the secret shopper's review will be rewarded if doing 100%, and would need to be re-trained if getting less than 85%. So one time I got called in to the manager's office, a tiny office really. In there was the store general manager, manager on duty, district manager, and the franchisee owner. Turned out few days ago the restaurant was visited by a secret shopper that made 2 trips, one for the dining-in area, the other was going through drive through. I remember that day because we were shorthanded that night and I had to do several jobs in the same time. So when the secret shopper gave her reviews for both visits, she gave 100% on all area---cleanliness of dining room, bathroom, parking lot, customer service, speed, food quality, drive through customer service, food quality and speed. When the general manager of the store pulled the roster from that day and time and employee's assigned area/station---my name came up on all of them----I was the only employee working at that time since 2 others were on their lunch break. So I had to clean the dining area, stocking up the salad bar, bathroom, parking area, making burgers, french fries and fried station, specialty station, cashier and drive through cashier.....
So the store manager was going to pay me off with 10 free meal vouchers, but the district manager and the owner said no, one station means 10 free meals, and I covered by myself 8+ stations that night. So I got 100 free meals vouchers that day, got employee of the month picture taken, got a raise, and got few free stuff.
And I didn't have to pay for my meal for almost 4 months...... |
| Bryan C |
Posted - 03/06/2011 : 11:25:37
US encourages their children to work at a young age. Kids as young as 7 or 8 years old can start doing paper route----delivery of newspaper in the morning. By age 14 or 16(depends on states), they can work during school nights and limits to working about 30 hours a week, and 40 hours during summer vacation. This way, parent doesn't have to give allowance to the kids, and the kids gets working experiences, can pay for their own car insurance and gas money. Parents might give the kids second hand family car when the kids turn 16, but after that, the kids has to pay everything, from maintenance, insurance, gas, ect....
In high school, I held 3 part time jobs in the same time---delivering 120 newspapers in the morning(means getting up at 4am in the morning 7 days a week, 365 days a year), go to high school to work in the cafeteria for the morning, mid-day brunch, and lunch(and got pay, and with free breakfast, brunch and lunch that usually has to be eaten in an hurry in 10 minutes). Then after school go to work at those fast food restaurants. Pretty much paid the apartment rent by myself every month. My older sister did the same thing and she pay for the utility bills, phone, cable TV, and food.
In Taiwan, we had maids and all that to work around the house. I won't say we are upper class, but pretty much middle-upper class. But after moving to US while dad still working in Taiwan, relatives in US told my mom to raise us as American kids, so we worked our asses off----but I'm used to it, since my grandmas were all farmers, so we had to help them during summer since 1st grade, picking jasmine flowers in the afternoon--right after attending those hated summer schools of Taiwan; feed the pigs, chickens and ducks in the early morning and late afternoon, picking fruits and produces for the rest of the time---just that we didn't get pay any when used as abused child labors..... |
| BlueWhaleMoon |
Posted - 03/06/2011 : 02:32:17
quote:
Originally posted by rockitten
quote:
Originally posted by su37
換句話說,美國的父母親比較"狠心",孩子成年後就是要靠自己囉?
我在想,這跟美國人相對較不重視儲蓄的理財概念有關?
如果大部分的美國家庭,收入跟支出剛好打平(賺多少花多少,存款不多)
可能孩子想依賴,父母也幫不了..............
they have social welfare.........
The social welfare of US is very limited to young group. |
| Bryan C |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 12:56:34
>>就是說美國家庭還是會幫小孩還助學貸款就對了,
No, very rare.
>>只是還的時間是等小孩畢業后一次付清?
I only know of Asian 亞裔家庭 do that. All the others---let the kids themselves pay off the student loans in 20-30 years. But these are the low interest loans, usually the last loans those students wants to payoff----they will pay off credit cards debts and home mortgage loans first..... |
| rockitten |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 12:54:18
quote:
Originally posted by su37
換句話說,美國的父母親比較"狠心",孩子成年後就是要靠自己囉?
我在想,這跟美國人相對較不重視儲蓄的理財概念有關?
如果大部分的美國家庭,收入跟支出剛好打平(賺多少花多少,存款不多)
可能孩子想依賴,父母也幫不了..............
they have social welfare.........
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| su37 |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 12:00:35
quote:
Originally posted by Bryan C
No, it's due to student loans that changed everything in 1960s for American families. Before, it was rich parents sending their rich kids to college, or the government/military paying college tuition through GI Bill for military vets, or those students willing to work and put themselves through school. The student loan programs changed that, and add another debt(low interest rate, but still debt) that those students need to pay after graduation, but not while in school. Most of the Asian/Chinese parents would've pay the kid's college education themselves, but some found a creative way to save some money. Some Asian families figured out to take out a lot of student loans when their kids are in college to pay for college/university costs. Then when the kids graduate and need to start paying back the student loans, those parents pay it off in one payment, so no interest is paid. This way, the parents made about 4-6 years worth of interests....
就是說美國家庭還是會幫小孩還助學貸款就對了,
只是還的時間是等小孩畢業后一次付清?
這裡的asian family指的是在美國的亞裔家庭吧? |
| Bryan C |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 11:44:48
No, it's due to student loans that changed everything in 1960s for American families. Before, it was rich parents sending their rich kids to college, or the government/military paying college tuition through GI Bill for military vets, or those students willing to work and put themselves through school. The student loan programs changed that, and add another debt(low interest rate, but still debt) that those students need to pay after graduation, but not while in school. Most of the Asian/Chinese parents would've pay the kid's college education themselves, but some found a creative way to save some money. Some Asian families figured out to take out a lot of student loans when their kids are in college to pay for college/university costs. Then when the kids graduate and need to start paying back the student loans, those parents pay it off in one payment, so no interest is paid. This way, the parents made about 4-6 years worth of interests.... |
| su37 |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 13:25:43
換句話說,美國的父母親比較"狠心",孩子成年後就是要靠自己囉?
我在想,這跟美國人相對較不重視儲蓄的理財概念有關?
如果大部分的美國家庭,收入跟支出剛好打平(賺多少花多少,存款不多)
可能孩子想依賴,父母也幫不了.............. |
| BlueWhaleMoon |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 12:50:24
美國NEET不是大問題. 因為父母不會那麼"金援" |
| su37 |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 12:38:51
在美國,neet的現象常見嗎?
十年前,聽說美國父母親教育小孩最重要的價值觀是獨立,
鼓勵小孩凡事自己來,去打工、去旅行等等。
不曉得現在美國的青少年是否也會出現像日本或台灣出現的這種現象？ |
| SleeplessPrometheus |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 11:59:23
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Originally posted by dasha
Visio之類的記得是Office XP以後才容易在Office包中找到,很多學校只怕沒有裝吧?還有些美工的用Mac也是沒這個,Mac上有其他工具做同樣的事情,到Windows上他們會用Powerpoint做就不錯了......小弟也是在2004年中心要搬遷時才學Visio的,Access到現在還沒機會學......
大學大部分科系沒有強迫修某些應用軟體,中學教的在大學畢業後你根本找不到相容版本,等於沒學,出社會幾乎都沒有實用性......
兩個月前參加母校教授榮退餐會時,與另一個學長聊天,他不斷抱怨現在的小孩很糟糕,當碩士了那個自動程度與中學生一樣,沒有找他談他就當沒事做......不過相反的也有很可怕的,我們這些老人都沒有聽說有這麼猛,唸雙碩士研究進度依然是全班頂尖,以為是欠債管家的真人版......
說真的Visio不會用這倒還是OK，因為它本來就不包在一般的Office內的，
不過最少要知道還有這種東西可以用。
那商學院的不會用或不太會用Excel就真的說不過去了。
最少要學一下基本的涵數運算跟怎樣拉圓餅直條圖吧?
不過現在托很多老師要求專題都要上場做簡報的福，會用Power Point的人反倒多了。
然後另外一個托福的事是....托無名小站與自拍的福，現在會用Photoshop的畢業生變多了，去年在前公司看別人在面談客服的時後，看到的剛畢業的女生個個專長上都是有填 Photoshop................=.=
那旋風管家真人版那種事，基本上80後的小朋友，如果這事是它覺得有必要的，就會非常積極。
會積極到讓人覺得激進的程度。
所以常會暴走，一個人往它自己的目標奔馳而去，絲毫不管是不是團隊的目標或需求。
的確很像綾崎颯，只要把為了大小姐的大小姐三個字換成目標就可以了。
甚至於以過來人的身份告訴它要達到它的目標應該要怎樣攻略才比較踏實也不見得會聽，反正就是一股腦的以自己認為的最短路徑衝刺。
可就旁人來看，其實是繞了遠路或是會日後吃到基礎不穩的虧。
因為它們對於自己的目標的認識認知其實都挺淺的，大至上就是一個形象而已。
說個比較不相干又相關的例子，
我以前念的大學有教做電玩的電玩系，那有次日間部的大二的學生就一群跑去跟系主任抗議課程排課問題。
抗議的小朋友說『我們是來學做遊戲的，為什麼要學這多程式語言?』
聽說系主任聽了差點沒有一時怒火攻心爆開來..........
我也有遇過那種類似的，
想當資訊安全工程師=>要懂防火牆跟網路設備=>所以應該先去考CCNA
連Windows Server都不會設AD，去考了CCNA就能當安全工程師才有鬼。=.=
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| dasha |
Posted - 03/02/2011 : 16:32:52
今天看到一個四十幾歲的草莓......說是教會的離婚女人,人很和氣,可是報帳就亂來,連科子目都是按自己的意而不是按規定在報,最後留爛攤子走人......
某些人哪種年代都有,看生活環境......
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台北縣板橋市大觀路一二樓公寓,接近國小至大學各級學校及公車總站,離捷運及板橋車站不遠.
詳情請洽0931043559田小姐 |
| Bryan C |
Posted - 03/02/2011 : 14:42:43
Because before Windows XP, Visio wasn't part of Microsoft---it was bought out by Microsoft in 2000. Visio came out in 1992, I have the 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 and 4.0 way back when..... |
| dasha |
Posted - 03/02/2011 : 14:01:35
Visio之類的記得是Office XP以後才容易在Office包中找到,很多學校只怕沒有裝吧?還有些美工的用Mac也是沒這個,Mac上有其他工具做同樣的事情,到Windows上他們會用Powerpoint做就不錯了......小弟也是在2004年中心要搬遷時才學Visio的,Access到現在還沒機會學......
大學大部分科系沒有強迫修某些應用軟體,中學教的在大學畢業後你根本找不到相容版本,等於沒學,出社會幾乎都沒有實用性......
兩個月前參加母校教授榮退餐會時,與另一個學長聊天,他不斷抱怨現在的小孩很糟糕,當碩士了那個自動程度與中學生一樣,沒有找他談他就當沒事做......不過相反的也有很可怕的,我們這些老人都沒有聽說有這麼猛,唸雙碩士研究進度依然是全班頂尖,以為是欠債管家的真人版......
吉屋出售
台北縣板橋市大觀路一二樓公寓,接近國小至大學各級學校及公車總站,離捷運及板橋車站不遠.
詳情請洽0931043559田小姐 |
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