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Posted - 02/02/2025 :  08:00:08  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send guy123 a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Henschel
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Posted - 02/02/2025 :  11:36:01  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send Henschel a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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yangly3
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Posted - 02/02/2025 :  13:02:30  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send yangly3 a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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[quote]Originally posted by Henschel

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Posted - 02/02/2025 :  13:07:52  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send guy123 a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
[quote]Originally posted by Henschel

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Posted - 02/02/2025 :  14:29:59  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Visit Light's Homepage Send Light a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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DeepSeek-V3 costs only 2.788M GPU hours for its full training. Assuming the rental price of the H800 GPU is $2 per GPU hour, our total training costs amount to only $5.576M. Note that the aforementioned costs include only the official training of DeepSeek-V3, excluding the costs associated with prior research and ablation experiments on architectures, algorithms, or data.

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Posted - 02/02/2025 :  20:55:55  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send guy123 a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Posted - 02/02/2025 :  23:32:08  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send guy123 a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Posted - 02/03/2025 :  22:07:46  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send a2979 a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Chinese algorithm boosts Nvidia GPU performance 800-fold in science computing

A high-performance algorithm that could solve complicated material design problems on consumer GPUs has been developed by Chinese researchers, achieving a groundbreaking 800-fold increase in speed over traditional methods.
Developed by a research team at Shenzhen MSU-BIT University, co-founded by Lomonosov Moscow State University and Beijing Institute of Technology, the new algorithm enhances the computational efficiency of peridynamics (PD), a cutting edge, non-local theory that solves difficult physical issues such as cracks, damage and fractures.
It opens up new possibilities for solving complex mechanical problems across various industries, including aerospace and military applications, on widely available chips that are low-cost and not subject to US sanctions.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3296135/chinese-algorithm-boosts-nvidia-gpu-performance-800-fold-science-computing
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