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Bryan C
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Posted - 03/11/2011 :  20:32:07  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Visit Bryan C's Homepage Send Bryan C a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
Because they ran out of parts....
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Dlin2000
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Posted - 03/11/2011 :  20:57:37  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send Dlin2000 a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Posted - 03/11/2011 :  21:29:48  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send °½¨à a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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dasha
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terry543
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Taiwan
272 Posts

Posted - 03/11/2011 :  21:59:46  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send terry543 a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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SleeplessPrometheus
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Posted - 03/11/2011 :  22:01:47  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send SleeplessPrometheus a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Bryan C
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Posted - 03/12/2011 :  06:07:40  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Visit Bryan C's Homepage Send Bryan C a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
The M48H/CM11 ©³½L was the last batch of the M60©³½L produced in US. So that why the follow on upgrade of CM12 didn't have M60©³½L----none to be have.

The M48H/CM11's 105mm gun barrel was surplus from US( think was due to M1 upgrade?), which no longer in stock in US. Same with fire control system from mid 1980s, no longer in production.....

So Dlin2000's idea of reopening M48H production line in Taiwan---can't be done, not going to happen.....
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Dlin2000
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640 Posts

Posted - 03/12/2011 :  12:07:45  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send Dlin2000 a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Originally posted by SleeplessPrometheus

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SleeplessPrometheus
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Posted - 03/12/2011 :  16:42:39  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send SleeplessPrometheus a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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zeek
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Taiwan
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Posted - 03/12/2011 :  18:27:44  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send zeek a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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dasha
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Posted - 03/13/2011 :  08:12:55  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send dasha a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Dlin2000
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Posted - 03/13/2011 :  11:54:33  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send Dlin2000 a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Bryan C
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USA
1455 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2011 :  13:46:02  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Visit Bryan C's Homepage Send Bryan C a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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M41¥~°¼¥[±¾³³²¡½Æ¦X¸Ë¥Ò.¾ã¦X¶Âºµªº®g±±¨t²Î
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You have to have upgrade the M41's engine and transmission too, in order to handle the extra weight. Or M41D+ might only can go 10-15 mph.....

The money you're going to spend, might as well buy M1A1 or M1A2....
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SleeplessPrometheus
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Posted - 03/13/2011 :  13:51:46  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send SleeplessPrometheus a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Bryan C
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Posted - 03/13/2011 :  14:37:58  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Visit Bryan C's Homepage Send Bryan C a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
Because some white eye keep think he's right and everyone is wrong....
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sfsm
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Bryan C
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Posted - 03/13/2011 :  15:21:58  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Visit Bryan C's Homepage Send Bryan C a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
I think people here see something and have a sliver of hope that there's a chance to save his soul and mind, or least won't be shooting off his mouth without thinking....

But one can always hope....
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Posted - 03/13/2011 :  18:23:21  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Visit Bryan C's Homepage Send Bryan C a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
I give up.

From now on, Dlin2000 is on my no read, no reply list.

There's no hope for him. God knows I've tried. I really did.......
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Posted - 03/13/2011 :  21:29:43  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send sfsm a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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I give up.

From now on, Dlin2000 is on my no read, no reply list.

There's no hope for him. God knows I've tried. I really did.......



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