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rockitten
我是老鳥
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 Posted - 07/12/2011 : 22:08:19
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Originally posted by 陸戰屋小步兵
有些訝異,英語這種拼音文字也會有文盲?
拼音字應該容易學才對 至少比方塊字象形字好學
they can speak the languages doesn't mean they can read and write if no one teach them those alphabets
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
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von_Guo
路人甲乙丙
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Posted - 07/12/2011 : 23:12:23
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Originally posted by huangmin95
用開車來比喻好了
有一種人是考過駕照，但是不會上路，一上路就緊張開的慢慢要轉不轉，這就是台灣人的英文，會不會開車？都考過駕照算是會吧，各種開車要注意的法令也了解不然怎麼通過筆試？就像我們的英文教育有一堆的時序文法，你不會也沒辦法通過一些考試，真的要你上路就像真的要跟外國人對話，就非常緊張，開車不順，講英文跌跌撞撞的，紅燈應該停卻加速，滿腦子的辭彙全部忘光光
還有一種人很會開車，但是沒有駕照，例如從小老爸教他怎麼開車，就像美國人從小就被用英文對話，這種人上路很正常也不緊張，就像老外那樣，但是考駕照？怎麼考就是沒過，筆試考砸交通規則不清楚等等，就像會講不會文法時序那些的，他會自然而然的用但是考試就全毀了
所以你是講了半天還是沒把重點總結出來 ...
要「每天用」不就結了嗎？
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另外就算美國人沒有路考 從小看到大 家長老師都會教
腦子裡交通規則不會不清楚
該快該慢 誰先誰後 什麼號誌表示什麼 清楚得很
所以我不懂你所謂的 "考駕照？怎麼考就是沒過，筆試考砸交通規則不清楚" 是根據什麼？
"交通規則不清楚" ＜== 美國街上車子那麼多 不被車撞死 也會被散彈槍打死
我看你應換個比喻
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Posted - 07/12/2011 : 23:36:38
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Originally posted by von_Guo
所以你是講了半天還是沒把重點總結出來 ...
要「每天用」不就結了嗎？
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另外就算美國人沒有路考 從小看到大 家長老師都會教
腦子裡交通規則不會不清楚
該快該慢 誰先誰後 什麼號誌表示什麼 清楚得很
所以我不懂你所謂的 "考駕照？怎麼考就是沒過，筆試考砸交通規則不清楚" 是根據什麼？
"交通規則不清楚" ＜== 美國街上車子那麼多 不被車撞死 也會被散彈槍打死
我看你應換個比喻
台灣的駕照筆試....
每天都和女友黑秀的人，相關醫學、性知識還是輸給處男醫生阿
滿腦子都知道怎麼做，怎麼保護的處男醫生要做的時候軟掉也是有的XD |
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陸戰屋小步兵
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Posted - 07/13/2011 : 00:03:09
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Originally posted by rockitten
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Originally posted by 陸戰屋小步兵
有些訝異,英語這種拼音文字也會有文盲?
拼音字應該容易學才對 至少比方塊字象形字好學
they can speak the languages doesn't mean they can read and write if no one teach them those alphabets
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。
alphabets也才26個,算上大小寫也不過52個
真的有人不會寫??
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rockitten
我是老鳥
Australia
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Posted - 07/13/2011 : 00:05:16
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Originally posted by 陸戰屋小步兵
quote:
Originally posted by rockitten
quote:
Originally posted by 陸戰屋小步兵
有些訝異,英語這種拼音文字也會有文盲?
拼音字應該容易學才對 至少比方塊字象形字好學
they can speak the languages doesn't mean they can read and write if no one teach them those alphabets
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。
alphabets也才26個,算上大小寫也不過52個
真的有人不會寫??
but how to spell those words, how to use them properly....etc are not that easy if you didn't learn them when you are still a kid and growing up is an environment that has very few opportunity to access books
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just like how hard it is for you to learn german now
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
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MikeH
路人甲乙丙
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Posted - 07/13/2011 : 00:17:05
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考試只是個非常僵化簡化的標準 和真正實力不是一碼子事
念研究所時的台灣同學 托福至少500分
路上隨便抓個老美去考 也不一定有此成績
但是頭一兩年 語言上明顯都有困難
有些在美十幾二十年 英語程度還是阿理不達
時序文法 只是學習研究語言的工具
語言能力的基本要求是溝通表達
這一點都做不到 怎能說程度高
拼音語言的文盲定義 不是不認得個別字母
而是所知詞彙不足 就算可憑拼音法則念出來 也不理解
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Posted - 07/13/2011 : 02:01:23
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Originally posted by MikeH
考試只是個非常僵化簡化的標準 和真正實力不是一碼子事
念研究所時的台灣同學 托福至少500分
路上隨便抓個老美去考 也不一定有此成績
但是頭一兩年 語言上明顯都有困難
有些在美十幾二十年 英語程度還是阿理不達
時序文法 只是學習研究語言的工具
語言能力的基本要求是溝通表達
這一點都做不到 怎能說程度高
拼音語言的文盲定義 不是不認得個別字母
而是所知詞彙不足 就算可憑拼音法則念出來 也不理解
中國過去那麼長的時間文盲還是佔絕大多數
他們都會說中文或者是當時的漢文，會寫寫的好也就那幾個了
一個學習中文的老外，可是以用文言文寫出他想要表達的意思你說他中文水準好不好？
而在醫學上所謂的自閉症患者，就類似前面所講的，無法與人正常的溝通，但是其中有部分的自閉症患者卻擁有相當高的造詣，像有個叫做顧城的就是作家
我們的教育結果是，面對面說不敢，但是能讀能寫，就水準上來講亞洲的英文能力確實超過美國 |
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SleeplessPrometheus
路人甲乙丙
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Posted - 07/13/2011 : 02:54:00
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Originally posted by 陸戰屋小步兵
quote:
Originally posted by rockitten
quote:
Originally posted by 陸戰屋小步兵
有些訝異,英語這種拼音文字也會有文盲?
拼音字應該容易學才對 至少比方塊字象形字好學
they can speak the languages doesn't mean they can read and write if no one teach them those alphabets
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。
alphabets也才26個,算上大小寫也不過52個
真的有人不會寫??
參見這個連結，失讀症或稱為閱讀障礙
http://www.dls.ym.edu.tw/neuroscience/edys_c.html
http://www.dls.ym.edu.tw/neuroscience/dyslexia_c.html
其實這種image跟單字連不起來的問題我也有，只是沒到完全不行的程度就是了。
比方這樣講。
中文字的樹，我看到樹這個字腦子內會直接聯想到這樣的印像。
但是你說tree，我聯想不到上頭那個圖，對我來說tree這個單字就是t r e e四個字母組成的字串而已，除此之外沒有任何印象關係。
我現在會用的英文單字都是硬背的，特別是寫實類型的名詞。
記的住的很少，看的懂的大多都是不太具有實體印象連結的單字，而且還是常看與硬背下來的關係。
二十幾年前我就看文章聽說美國這種症狀的人不少，那年頭閱讀障礙這還算是少人研究的東西。
很多美國人因為這種或輕或重的原因所以終其一生能認得的字不多，甚至於只認得自己的名字。
但是這並不妨礙做些基礎的勞力工作與開車，考駕照開車是認交通符號。
像我中文就沒問題，因為中文字對我來說不是字母，是圖像。
不管是現代文還是文言文，上至兩漢下至明清都可以望文生意不太需要有注解就可以看的懂，甚至於多漢字的日文古文都還能望文生意的略略看的懂。
但是字母型的拼音文字.......就直接打X了，連現代日文都不行。
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MikeH
路人甲乙丙
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Fuller
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Posted - 07/13/2011 : 06:44:23
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Originally posted by huangmin95
中國過去那麼長的時間文盲還是佔絕大多數
他們都會說中文或者是當時的漢文，會寫寫的好也就那幾個了
一個學習中文的老外，可是以用文言文寫出他想要表達的意思你說他中文水準好不好？
而在醫學上所謂的自閉症患者，就類似前面所講的，無法與人正常的溝通，但是其中有部分的自閉症患者卻擁有相當高的造詣，像有個叫做顧城的就是作家
我們的教育結果是，面對面說不敢，但是能讀能寫，就水準上來講亞洲的英文能力確實超過美國
Ok, I am still confused. I still do not quite fathom nor understand your point.
What is your judgement criteria of language proficiency? I think you need to clarify your judgement criteria. It's stronger if you can succinctly lay out your judgment criteria then support your hypothesis by concrete examples, rather than mere analogies that could be confusing.
I received my essay composition skill mostly from Taiwan at an early age. The skills I learned in how to write in a more organized and systematic manner benefited me greatly when I came here. 台灣很早就教寫抒情文，敘述文，論文等等。
Compared to an average American student, once I managed to accumulate enough English grammar and vocabulary, I was able to express myself in a more organized and systematic manner compare to my American classmates even though my English grammar and vocabulary is quite far behind my American classmates.
However, US students learned how to do research and reports very early on. I struggled greatly as I am not used to that type of assignment as Taiwan focused more on rote memorization and more "structured" approach. However, after a few years of learning the US way, I was fine.
American students in college is already used to research reports.
The reports really are not that big of a deal, it is fairly routine. But, my friends from Taiwan who did not come here until college or graduate school struggled a lot initially.
When I went back to Taiwan to visit my friends, some of them were in so called 國立大學。 Alas, I really cannot say their English skill is comparable to at least some of the US college students that I know. Granted, people I knew at that time who were attending a US college were in Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Berkeley, Princeton, Yale, Northwestern, etc. but I have also met with students from NTU and other "top" colleges in Taiwan.
I helped some friends from Taiwan to apply for graduate school here by helping them correct their application essay. I've been doing it for over 10 years more or less. I can tell you the problems I encountered are very "distinct". They all tend to make very similar mistakes (Taiwan & China students). Their essay sometimes make more sense if I obtain their original Chinese draft or translate their essay into Chinese because their way of writing often just translate from Chinese to English, which is very understandable as their thought process is still in Chinese.
The skill of writing an organized essay is often transferable from one language to another. There are people who are bad writers and readers in both USA and Taiwan. If you want to compare and prove your theory that Taiwan's English education is superior than American English education in reading and writing, you might want to lay out your criteria and we can compare samples from similar academic/social strata. It is not fair to compare say Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Princeton college student essay writing ability to some 18分就可以進去的台灣大學學生。 The reverse is true of comparing top students in Taiwan to some diploma mill college students who are barely passing their English class. There are plenty of Americans who fail at basic English, but I can say the same if browsing Taiwan website and witness the English there is any guide. |
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von_Guo
路人甲乙丙
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Posted - 07/13/2011 : 07:10:53
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Originally posted by huangmin95
台灣的駕照筆試....
每天都和女友黑秀的人，相關醫學、性知識還是輸給處男醫生阿
滿腦子都知道怎麼做，怎麼保護的處男醫生要做的時候軟掉也是有的XD
"...處男醫生要做的時候軟掉也是有的..."
＜== 哦？ 這是閣下年輕時 或目前的狀況嗎？ 否則為何這麼肯定？
要不然你怎麼想像一般正常的男人會這樣子啊？
特例==＞ 懂生理構造原理的許多男醫生裡 偶爾有一、兩個會軟掉
通例==＞ 臺灣學生在臺灣的環境裡英文"文法普遍好"但是"普遍不善應用"
(除極少數有語言天份的例外)
這兩件事是根本相反的情形
你總不好拿特例當通例來做比喻吧？
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你還有沒有其他比較合適的例子可以用來耍嘴皮子啊？
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Bryan C
路人甲乙丙
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Posted - 07/13/2011 : 07:36:38
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Originally posted by MikeH
說到這裡
我家的小美國人這幾天剛回台灣
在遊樂場玩時 英語脫口而出
身邊的眾多台灣小朋友不知所云
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http://guns-mikeh.blogspot.com/
Happens to me and my niece when we were back in Taiwan recently. She was only 3 years old, and can't speak a word of Taiwanese or Mandarin. So I have to "translate" what she said in English to her playmates in various playgrounds or parks. Then, funny things started to happen----when the parents found out she only speaks English, they were forcing their kids to only speak English to her too, a some sort of free American English learning chance of sort, and don't have to pay big money to take American English lessons for their kids.....
But when those kids were only 2-6 or 7 years old, they're not really going to learn anything while having fun..... They only remember her English name, and then the rest pretty much using hand gestures and they speak their own languages and pretending to understand each others..... Only other things those kids got stuck with was their English name, or nicknames..... |
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pcgamer
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MikeH
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Posted - 07/14/2011 : 02:59:04
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好像蠻多人對於英文程度有疑問，我在詳細點回答
你們似乎都忘了一件事，亞洲國家是以應試為教育目的，英文不需要會說，只要你會做答就可以了
如何作答？能夠閱讀題目，能夠回答和撰寫符合要求的文章，就足以應試，同樣的狀況下也可以教育出一群不會講中文卻能寫出一篇好中文文章的老外
應試是對於學習標準的客觀評估，不管你們怎麼批判托福STA，分數才是重點，你會說但是不會寫英文、看不懂，聯考就是英文掛蛋
這種狀況就可以套用到很多方面，像是台灣的駕照考試，會騎車不代表筆試能過關
而我們的英文教育水準大約是長春藤等級的，原因在於出題目的老師是國外回來的，這種叫做有水準的題目，我也不知道哪裡有水準了，為了配合考試因此教育上就以非常嚴格的英文教育處理
CAN YOU DO THIS?
臺灣人回答，YES,I CAN.
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MikeH
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Fuller
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Posted - 07/14/2011 : 07:08:25
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Originally posted by huangmin95
好像蠻多人對於英文程度有疑問，我在詳細點回答
你們似乎都忘了一件事，亞洲國家是以應試為教育目的，英文不需要會說，只要你會做答就可以了
如何作答？能夠閱讀題目，能夠回答和撰寫符合要求的文章，就足以應試，同樣的狀況下也可以教育出一群不會講中文卻能寫出一篇好中文文章的老外
應試是對於學習標準的客觀評估，不管你們怎麼批判托福STA，分數才是重點，你會說但是不會寫英文、看不懂，聯考就是英文掛蛋
這種狀況就可以套用到很多方面，像是台灣的駕照考試，會騎車不代表筆試能過關
而我們的英文教育水準大約是長春藤等級的，原因在於出題目的老師是國外回來的，這種叫做有水準的題目，我也不知道哪裡有水準了，為了配合考試因此教育上就以非常嚴格的英文教育處理
CAN YOU DO THIS?
臺灣人回答，YES,I CAN.
老外用語，YUP
You need to provide concrete data and example to backup your assertion of "Taiwan's English education is superior to America's English education level"
MikeH has already provided an URL in his post, supply some data + study of native English speaker versus ESL student's TOEFL and even GRE verbal score as comparison.
http://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RR-02-16.pdf
Did you even read it?
Also, your assertion "而我們的英文教育水準大約是長春藤等級的，原因在於出題目的老師是國外回來的，這種叫做有水準的題目" suffers from a big problem. Just because the test maker is from Ivy league, it does not mean the test will be ivy league level.
For example:
I invite 5 Nobel Prize winner to make an English exam. The exam's level of difficulty is only America's 8th grade level English. Does that mean that test is "Nobel Prize level difficulty?" You need to look at the content, the difficulty level of the exam, not just assume the exam difficulty will match test maker's own level of competence. |
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rockitten
我是老鳥
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Posted - 07/14/2011 : 11:40:37
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Originally posted by Fuller
Also, your assertion "而我們的英文教育水準大約是長春藤等級的，原因在於出題目的老師是國外回來的，這種叫做有水準的題目" suffers from a big problem. Just because the test maker is from Ivy league, it does not mean the test will be ivy league level.
For example:
I invite 5 Nobel Prize winner to make an English exam. The exam's level of difficulty is only America's 8th grade level English. Does that mean that test is "Nobel Prize level difficulty?" You need to look at the content, the difficulty level of the exam, not just assume the exam difficulty will match test maker's own level of competence.
Or for example:
台灣XX月刊的水準大約是台成清交等級的，原因在於出稿的老師是台成清交來的，這種叫做有水準的月刊
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What's an egg head "scholar"
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
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Fuller
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Posted - 07/14/2011 : 12:00:00
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Originally posted by rockitten
Or for example:
台灣XX月刊的水準大約是台成清交等級的，原因在於出稿的老師是台成清交來的，這種叫做有水準的月刊
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What's an egg head "scholar"
egghead scholar? I might use the word erudite instead.
As far as 台成清交, I think it probably earns people's respect easier, but my view is I will try to look at the content, if possible. It's not always possible for me to understand everything so if I encounter an author from 台成清交, I'm more likely to think this is probably more credible. I rely on 台成清交 to do the screening work for me, just like some employer and customer gives more deference to Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, Caltech, etc. etc. graduates.
Both of my parents graduated from 台成清交. It's harder for me to badmouth those schools ;p Since enough of my relatives went to those schools. |
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rockitten
我是老鳥
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Posted - 07/14/2011 : 12:30:45
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Originally posted by Fuller
quote:
Originally posted by rockitten
Or for example:
台灣XX月刊的水準大約是台成清交等級的，原因在於出稿的老師是台成清交來的，這種叫做有水準的月刊
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What's an egg head "scholar"
egghead scholar? I might use the word erudite instead.
As far as 台成清交, I think it probably earns people's respect easier, but my view is I will try to look at the content, if possible. It's not always possible for me to understand everything so if I encounter an author from 台成清交, I'm more likely to think this is probably more credible. I rely on 台成清交 to do the screening work for me, just like some employer and customer gives more deference to Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, Caltech, etc. etc. graduates.
Both of my parents graduated from 台成清交. It's harder for me to badmouth those schools ;p Since enough of my relatives went to those schools.
My parents are from NCKU as well, and their comment about those graduated from 台成清交 or any "elite" school is that, not all graduates are really that capable, some are nothing but "exam machines". If there is no past papers or "private tutors" available, many of them may just the same as those in "average universities". So elite school doesn't always mean excellent works.
And they always insists that graduated from elite schools may give you better chance, but it is what you do and say that really matters. I was from an elite uni as well, but through out my career history so far, not all graduates are really that elite, me included
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by the way, that 台灣XX月刊 joke is referring to a recent shambles in Taiwan publishing field, and it is that 95 i call him a egghead, not you.
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
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路人甲乙丙
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Posted - 07/14/2011 : 17:01:38
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Originally posted by Fuller
You need to provide concrete data and example to backup your assertion of "Taiwan's English education is superior to America's English education level"
MikeH has already provided an URL in his post, supply some data + study of native English speaker versus ESL student's TOEFL and even GRE verbal score as comparison.
http://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RR-02-16.pdf
Did you even read it?
Also, your assertion "而我們的英文教育水準大約是長春藤等級的，原因在於出題目的老師是國外回來的，這種叫做有水準的題目" suffers from a big problem. Just because the test maker is from Ivy league, it does not mean the test will be ivy league level.
For example:
I invite 5 Nobel Prize winner to make an English exam. The exam's level of difficulty is only America's 8th grade level English. Does that mean that test is "Nobel Prize level difficulty?" You need to look at the content, the difficulty level of the exam, not just assume the exam difficulty will match test maker's own level of competence.
IVY的英文是大學英文，出題的難度是大學難度，出題對象是大學聯考
從人口數上已經證明了，美國三分之ㄧ是文盲，台灣文盲僅百分之二，台灣教育英文屬於必修，因此臺灣非文盲人口均接受過英文教育，在教育上台灣接受過英文教育為98%，美國約為66%
我們的教育制度是畸型教育，英文出太簡單會被批評還需要檢討，從過去到現在台灣大學考試的英文都是相當於考文言文的狀況下進行 |
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Lugiahua
路人甲乙丙
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Posted - 07/14/2011 : 18:41:17
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你的數據有個問題
兩個數據文盲標準根本不同
你美國數字是Functional Illiterates, 台灣是Illiterates
前者是受過教育但是讀寫能力低於一定標準, 後者是完全無法讀寫者
台灣的Functional Illiterates有多少我不知道, 但是絕對高於2%
每年統測作文低於二級分甚至空白的就是這種人
根據聯合國的數字, 美國的Basic literacy rate是99%
另外這裡有一篇師大發表的文章
http://cer.ntnu.edu.tw/policy/getfile.php?lct=./txt/c29htm.php |
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陸戰屋小步兵
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Posted - 07/14/2011 : 20:49:25
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>>>我們的教育制度是畸型教育，英文出太簡單會被批評還需要檢討，從過去到現在台灣大學考試的英文都是相當於考文言文的狀況下進行<<<
以前在聯合報看過一篇文章,作者說她初到美國,不會說"太陽出來了",但是卻會說"朝敦初上",所以只要一開口就很受人側目,鄰居的美國媽媽還要小孩子多跟她聊天,好學到一口"文雅的英語".....
學書未成先習劍
用劍無它A讀書
讀書習劍兩無成
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MikeH
路人甲乙丙
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