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jackguof1273
路人甲乙丙
1314 Posts |
 Posted - 06/26/2011 : 19:09:11
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海軍似乎準備引進一批派里，心中的改良是76快砲移到MK13的位置，原來的位置裝上海劍2(16枚劍二)，MK-15 Block 1B不變。
感覺在取代濟陽的派里上加裝一些比成功級還優秀的美製防空配備不是很有太大意義。
如果沿用Mk92，一樣維持同時打擊空中兩個水下一個，加裝CS/MPQ-90雷達能整合使用海劍2嗎，還是要裝新戰鬥系統(H-930 MCS?)才行?
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rockitten
我是老鳥
Australia
8191 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2011 : 19:32:48
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quote:
Originally posted by jackguof1273
海軍似乎準備引進一批派里，心中的改良是76快砲移到MK13的位置，原來的位置裝上海劍2(16枚劍二)，MK-15 Block 1B不變。
感覺在取代濟陽的派里上加裝一些比成功級還優秀的美製防空配備不是很有太大意義。
如果沿用Mk92，一樣維持同時打擊空中兩個水下一個，加裝CS/MPQ-90雷達能整合使用海劍2嗎，還是要裝新戰鬥系統(H-930 MCS?)才行?
MK-92 is not a open-architecture system, so unless you want to pay for the expansive modification, you better just add a separate H-930 system for any add-ons
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I will suggest they put 8 HF-3 in the front and use them as missile ship 
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
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Reinherd Von Hwang提督
我是老鳥
USA
9552 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2011 : 09:54:33
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quote:
Originally posted by rockitten
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Originally posted by jackguof1273
海軍似乎準備引進一批派里，心中的改良是76快砲移到MK13的位置，原來的位置裝上海劍2(16枚劍二)，MK-15 Block 1B不變。
感覺在取代濟陽的派里上加裝一些比成功級還優秀的美製防空配備不是很有太大意義。
如果沿用Mk92，一樣維持同時打擊空中兩個水下一個，加裝CS/MPQ-90雷達能整合使用海劍2嗎，還是要裝新戰鬥系統(H-930 MCS?)才行?
MK-92 is not a open-architecture system, so unless you want to pay for the expansive modification, you better just add a separate H-930 system for any add-ons
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I will suggest they put 8 HF-3 in the front and use them as missile ship
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。
如果要當missile ship
那前方mk13可以裝9枚 魚叉, 和32枚標準一型
外加4枚雄二4枚雄三不是更大的飛彈卡車??
我是希望挑4艘成功把mk13拆了裝VLS打SM-2/ESSM
但是留4艘以上(二手派理)拿來當飛彈卡車
這樣就可以有4艘防空成功改
加四艘以上的反水面成功
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Edited by - Reinherd Von Hwang提督 on 06/27/2011 09:58:32 |
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rockitten
我是老鳥
Australia
8191 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2011 : 10:53:05
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Originally posted by Reinherd Von Hwang提督
如果要當missile ship
那前方mk13可以裝9枚 魚叉, 和32枚標準一型
外加4枚雄二4枚雄三不是更大的飛彈卡車??
我是希望挑4艘成功把mk13拆了裝VLS打SM-2/ESSM
但是留4艘以上(二手派理)拿來當飛彈卡車
這樣就可以有4艘防空成功改
加四艘以上的反水面成功
If there are still plenty of MK13 launchers available, I will totally agree with you. But the problem is, there probably isn't any spare launcher available already......
Just to think wild, how about installing the ASROC on that location for MK13 and there is 8 harpoon already
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
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Bryan C
路人甲乙丙
USA
1455 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2011 : 17:13:25
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如果要當missile ship
那前方mk13可以裝9枚 魚叉, 和32枚標準一型
外加4枚雄二4枚雄三不是更大的飛彈卡車??
我是希望挑4艘成功把mk13拆了裝VLS打SM-2/ESSM
但是留4艘以上(二手派理)拿來當飛彈卡車
這樣就可以有4艘防空成功改
加四艘以上的反水面成功
Still has to upgrade/replace Mk 92 FCS/CDS. And those OH Perry FFs that ROCN is looking for might not have Mk 92 FCS on board any longer----plus the fact ROCN's own Cheng Kung FFG's Mk 92 FCS is neutered also, since MK-92 on those ships can't fire Harpoon because the software were deleted upon US's request and cost extra money to do it.....
And, this will make ROCN to has SM-2 Block IIIA(none VLS), SM-2 IIIB(VLS), SM-1 Block 6B(Cheng Kung FFG), and SM-1 older block(4 or 5) on those Knox FFG with WC-3 and 10 SM-1 Cocoon boxes, 2 different types of SM-2, and 2 different types of SM-1----a logistical nightmare....
ROCN should have gotten 8 Spruance DDs that had Mk 41 VLS back in 1990s/2000s. Better than the 8 Knox in all ASW sensors, bigger ships, share pretty much the same hull with Kidd DDGs, and has those VLS. Now, too late, they all are gone, one way or the other..... |
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Reinherd Von Hwang提督
我是老鳥
USA
9552 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2011 : 15:06:10
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Originally posted by Bryan C
ROCN should have gotten 8 Spruance DDs that had Mk 41 VLS back in 1990s/2000s. Better than the 8 Knox in all ASW sensors, bigger ships, share pretty much the same hull with Kidd DDGs, and has those VLS. Now, too late, they all are gone, one way or the other.....
但是史普魯恩斯級恐怖的是操作費用
油費會把ROCN先給嚇死
台灣還是最適合一款3000~4000的反潛巡防艦
當年買Knox也不是錯事, 因為要趕快把老DD/DE給退掉
只是Knox只是階段性的 不因該服役那麼久, 也就是在引進Knox的同時就因該同時規劃下一代4000噸級巡防艦
現在我比較期待那款還在搞的3000噸海巡艦, 看能不能成為未來的下一代4000噸艦的雛形
就算是引進派理 也只因該用來當作墊檔(用後就丟的免洗艦兼殺肉艦) |
Edited by - Reinherd Von Hwang提督 on 06/28/2011 15:06:35 |
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BlueWhaleMoon
我是老鳥
12954 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2011 : 15:18:00
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| 3000噸不就是當年忠義計畫的尺寸嘛. |
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Bryan C
路人甲乙丙
USA
1455 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2011 : 22:17:28
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| 3,000 ton 忠義計畫 was "light" load, not standard or full load. I mean, it got pretty much the same engines, weapon suite and sensor suite as OH Perry, and OH Perry/Cheng Kung FFG is rated at 4,100+ ton full load.... |
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Bryan C
路人甲乙丙
USA
1455 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2011 : 22:19:16
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>>>>但是史普魯恩斯級恐怖的是操作費用
油費會把ROCN先給嚇死
Just make it 2nd line ships, reduce manning, and just use 2 LM2500 turbine engines instead of all 4..... |
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qaz9491
路人甲乙丙
790 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2011 : 22:33:02
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忠義計畫不曉得能不能重新修改再拿出來試試?
ASROC的位置改為雄三+雄二發射架.
機庫兩旁的雄一取消.
MK-13發射架的位置改為垂直發射架.
外型再修改一下
純粹個人的狂想!!! |
Edited by - qaz9491 on 06/29/2011 00:34:27 |
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Bryan C
路人甲乙丙
USA
1455 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2011 : 23:41:47
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| Unless it's a stealthy design.... |
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Kirov
我是老鳥
34263 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2011 : 10:22:06
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中華民國海軍表示:「你們願意出錢讓我們找人把忠義計劃原始設計改到連他媽媽(原工程師及計劃負責人們)都不認得他的話,怎麼會不可以拿來用~?」
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Darth Vader:
You can fear the power of dark side~!
Nothing compared the dark side~! |
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jackguof1273
路人甲乙丙
1314 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2011 : 20:08:52
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也是..
在二手派里裝垂發大改，一套MK41不含飛彈至少也要1億美金，在只剩10多年的古早二手載台一艘花幾十億~近百億....
海軍萬一真的引進大概也只會加裝雄二.雄三當導彈艦，在學康定在MK-13位置裝海叢樹捷羚飛彈之類等級的蠢事。
雖然這種雞肋艦跟印尼的PATROL 9113 1600噸巡邏艦整體比起來好像差不多，每個月要付的士兵薪水就差多了。
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rockitten
我是老鳥
Australia
8191 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2011 : 20:41:34
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http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=6951696&c=ASI&s=TOP
Australia Plots Biggest Postwar Military Sale
"Over the next 15 years, the Australian Defence Force will replace or upgrade up to 85 percent of its equipment, said Minister for Defence Materiel Jason Clare.
This means the force will dispose of up to 24 ships, 70 combat aircraft, 110 other aircraft, 120 helicopters and 600 armored vehicles in the next decade. The government wants to use the revenue generated to fund new purchases.
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Companies can bid for all ships, a class of ships or a single ship, Clare said."
Therefore, in the next 15 years:
24 ships: 6 Collins Class, 4 Perry, 2 Newport, 6 survey ships, 6 mine hunter
70 combat aircraft: The F/A-18A/B
110 other aircraft: All (21) P-3C, (33)Hawk127, (65)PC-9, (8)C-130H,
120 helicopters : (35)Army S-70, (15)Navy's S-70, (4)Sea King, (5)CH-47D, (56) OH-58A,
600 armored vehicles: those non-upgraded M-113
They will all be disposed in dirt cheap price and many of those on the list are also operating in Taiwan as well....... a good chance for getting spare parts.
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
Edited by - rockitten on 06/30/2011 20:43:01 |
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jackguof1273
路人甲乙丙
1314 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2011 : 15:38:02
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學英國嗎(?)規模還不小。
澳洲規劃未來10年要出售24艘艦艇、180架飛機、120架直昇機跟600輛裝甲車，軍售收入來替85%的裝備進行替換跟升級，並在未來20年花數十億澳幣引進新潛艇、海軍直昇機、F-35。
未來10年，6艘柯林斯有點難說，那4艘PUP派里大概確定，還有跟國軍類似的P-3C、S-70、CH-47D、OH-58。
如果能全部引進4艘PUP派里、21架P-3C機隊跟50架S-70直昇機，真的是個能更新擴充軍力的好機會。
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Bryan C
路人甲乙丙
USA
1455 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2011 : 16:54:24
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| But impossible, unless go through US..... |
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rockitten
我是老鳥
Australia
8191 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2011 : 17:13:55
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Originally posted by jackguof1273
未來10年，6艘柯林斯有點難說，那4艘PUP派里大概確定，還有跟國軍類似的P-3C、S-70、CH-47D、OH-58。
如果能全部引進4艘PUP派里、21架P-3C機隊跟50架S-70直昇機，真的是個能更新擴充軍力的好機會。
those planes and vessels are quite hard used already, so probably can only be use to scrap for spares
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
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