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小毛
我是老鳥
Taiwan
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 Posted - 12/30/2014 : 10:56:08
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不只是砲兵和反艦飛彈，可以有人或無人導控，光學導引的以色列SPIKE這類的飛彈也蠻適合岸防來用，南韓就在小島上部署了射程達20公里的Spike飛彈來精確打擊北韓的岸防火砲。這東西體積小，不管是固定陣地或是機動陣地都很好用。
** 小毛的新幻想空間逐漸復活中.....**
http://lordmrx.pixnet.net/blog
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dasha
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41804 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2014 : 08:29:29
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惡劣環境的出現頻率其實蠻高的,因為台灣在雷達波異常傳播這點,是英文教科書會舉出的世界前幾名等級惡劣環境......只是出現時間不固定,最近小弟都懶得報了......
艦砲的問題主要還是在相對射程,岸基炮明顯目標是你的船,但艦砲主要目標不是你這些會跑的炮,而是其他位在比較內陸而要壓制的單位,有時這會造成艦砲的劣勢,尤其是艦砲與岸基炮射程差不多的時候.但,台灣主力的岸基炮射程偏短......所以上面其實還蠻在乎這問題的.我們是都用反艦飛彈處理,所以只有船上還能用的舊裝備拆下來某些地方用用而已.
1980年代英國提出過不少貨櫃防空系統的概念,而且愛國者與PAAMS設計也都是貨櫃化概念,這類東西有. |
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toga
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Tajikistan
12781 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2015 : 08:54:00
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約克軍曹防砲車計畫遭到終止的原因：
http://tanknutdave.com/the-us-m247-sergeant-york-divad-spaag/
During later trials a number of problems with the prototype were discovered:
1. The tracking radar had problems with ground clutter and was unable to distinguish between helicopters and trees.
2. When the guns were pointed upward to fire on high-angle targets, the barrels projected into the radar’s line of sight and further confused the system.
3. The reaction time was far too slow; against hovering helicopters it was 10 to 11 seconds.
4. The turret proved to have too slow a traverse to track fast moving targets.
5. The used guns taken from U.S. Army stock were in twisted condition due to careless warehousing (the vehicle was to use the stored 20mm Bofors from the older Duster).
6. The turret weighed 20 tonne’s and the M48’s couldn’t keep up with what was at the time the new Abrams Main Battle Tank.
A case of misidentification!
In February 1982, at a demonstration for U.S. and British officers at Fort Bliss, the turret immediately swung towards the reviewing stands upon activation of its computer causing the audience to scramble thinking they were going to be shot at.
After technicians worked on the system, the target was again presented and the gun blasted the ground in front of it 300 yards out. It never successfully engaged the targets that day and this was not the last incident where this kind of thing happened......
（感想：你改名叫Keroro軍曹防砲車算了.......）
The DIVAD Project is cancelled
The system went on to be further tested in battlefield condition testing. The testing concluded that the gun could perform the mission as originally specified, but also showed that the system had considerable reliability problems, many as the result of trying to adapt a radar system developed for aircraft to the ground role.
Initial production tests run from December 1984 to May 1985 turned up a continued variety of problems, failing 22 of 163 contract requirements, and 22 serious failures in operational readiness.
On the 27th of August 1985, Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger killed the project after about 50 vehicles had been produced. He said, “the tests demonstrated that while there are marginal improvements that can be made in the York gun, they are not worth the additional cost-so we will not invest any more funds in the system.”
一萌二PAK三聯閃，四代歐風五國潘，十全側衛百戰鷹，成千蟲隼萬國繁。 |
Edited by - toga on 01/03/2015 09:00:47 |
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dasha
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41804 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2015 : 18:06:35
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| 又,砍了約克軍曹後,美國少量購買德國獵豹放在德國因應需求. |
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kmleu
路人甲乙丙
1138 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2015 : 19:40:52
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衛星空照圖台客陸客鄉民趴趴走讓許多基地如長程防空飛彈基地與軍港...能見度越來越高
對岸已有衛士多管火箭系統某些型號射程超過兩百公里多彈齊發打擊範圍可能超過一平方公里
陸地機動載具,貨櫃輪也是可能的發射平台,也是有自走砲上艦的案例, 幾波攻擊後防空系統...
除了以色列的Iron Dome 或許大口徑防空雷達砲車會是防護多管火箭系統的選項之一
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star3
路人甲乙丙
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Posted - 01/05/2015 : 02:52:28
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这个讨论让我想起前些年珠海航展近程防空武器的各种奇葩了
基本思路就是一个高通过性底盘的越野车,一般是北京JEEP或东风勇士之类加现成导弹
有一车装八个QW2的,有干脆PL5和SD10各两枚混装到一个车上,真是千奇百怪!然后西安一单位趁势而上,干脆开发出一套软件
可以指挥一个战区的所有防空武器,各防空武器全部傻瓜化操作,各节点的武器要做的就是按它给定的参数和时间开火就行了,节点武器原本自带的雷达红外搜索等设备都可以不开机
我觉得很耳熟,然后就记起了天网和T800型机器人.....
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dasha
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41804 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2015 : 09:30:32
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quote:
Originally posted by kmleu
衛星空照圖台客陸客鄉民趴趴走讓許多基地如長程防空飛彈基地與軍港...能見度越來越高
對岸已有衛士多管火箭系統某些型號射程超過兩百公里多彈齊發打擊範圍可能超過一平方公里
陸地機動載具,貨櫃輪也是可能的發射平台,也是有自走砲上艦的案例, 幾波攻擊後防空系統...
除了以色列的Iron Dome 或許大口徑防空雷達砲車會是防護多管火箭系統的選項之一
自走砲上船射擊這種測試蠻多人做過的,做過後該國就幾十年內不會再做,因為穩定性太差,且沒有適合的補償機制,你不知道砲彈會飛到哪......
目前的雷達追蹤砲彈或火箭彈之類東西的精確度,並不足以導引無導引砲彈精確命中與干擾目標,除了核彈頭防空炮彈以外.因此面對多管火箭與砲彈的防禦系統,概念很多,現在真已服役的只有飛彈而已,不僅精準還便宜,其他包括雷射在內,還是在實驗的玩意,離成熟還久. |
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waffe
我是老鳥
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Posted - 01/05/2015 : 16:27:10
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| 當年老共打一江山的時候就把各式火砲、火箭砲扛到各式漁船、機帆船上，然後惡補一番後就上陣還是取得不錯的效果。只是可能島上的國軍也沒什麼反擊火力吧。 |
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kumachan
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
3832 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2015 : 21:41:12
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Originally posted by waffe
說到岸基防禦，台灣怎沒像瑞典一樣弄一些岸砲來擺擺，雖然射程遠遜於飛彈，但作為海岸防禦也能多一層的防護
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Originally posted by sun
相信這也是海鋒大隊後來會採用機動式系統的考量點。
而陣地與掩體當然是固定的，但是不一定是有實際武器配置的，武器是可以視狀況機動調配進駐，相對固定式炮台，效益可高出不少。
現代岸防不流行定點砲了. 因為太空中看得很清楚.
目前可機動或拖曳的155榴就是當岸砲台在用,
不如狡砲多窟, 一把劍有多個劍鞘.
每個陣地區域附近多蓋幾個半埋抗炸掩體, 營造成本不高,
若火砲收列快移動快,射完迅速躲到其他掩體,要短期解決火砲也不是很容易.
空的掩體炸了也白炸,就算同時炸多個可能掩體,
也不知道是否已躲到炸不到的坑道隧道內.
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冗丙
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Taiwan
16098 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2015 : 09:20:04
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老共當年打一江山是有空優的說~
忠義衛飯筒~剽悍吃燒肉~~
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LUMBER
我是老鳥
Taiwan
8485 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2015 : 09:25:23
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| 定點砲有視距外攻擊性能的話當然可以期待啦..... |
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台灣有能力自製雷達防砲車嗎？
