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Posted - 11/12/2009 : 20:12:03
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quote: Originally posted by SK2
It should be true that Leo 2 got the earliest 120mm smoothbore gun, but not true if just any type of 120mm gun Recently reading a book about the Chieftain, which was really an excellent vehicle of its time......except the engine
it actually "ONLY" weight 55ton compare with the 60~70ton weight of Leapord2 and M1-A1HA, but the engine technology at that time just can't provide enough power to weight ratio..... - And then when better engine available, the British make it heavier...
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blackknight
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Posted - 11/13/2009 : 01:45:47
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SK2
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Posted - 11/13/2009 : 11:42:35
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quote: Originally posted by rockitten it actually "ONLY" weight 55ton compare with the 60~70ton weight of Leapord2 and M1-A1HA, but the engine technology at that time just can't provide enough power to weight ratio..... - And then when better engine available, the British make it heavier...
The very original plan was to have a 16 to 17-ton tank, with only one or two crews, easy for mass production, to deal against the Soviet sea of tank.
This plan was shelved of course and the MBT project was back again, from the "40-ton Centurion ", to the 45-ton "Chieftain Concept Vehicle", to the 55-ton production vehicle......
When they were planning the 45-ton thing, it was designed with a V-8 diesel engine, and the engine prototypes provide excellent test results. However due to new NATO requirement, the Brits were forced to change to a new engine, the Leyland L60 multi-fuel engine, which ruined the tanks' first few years of service.
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CPWN
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Posted - 11/13/2009 : 19:42:29
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oops
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Posted - 11/29/2009 : 22:25:50
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SK2
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Posted - 11/29/2009 : 22:32:19
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 01:41:27
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 09:14:47
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 10:02:19
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 20:21:57
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 20:30:05
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 21:14:55
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 22:53:18
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