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rockitten
我是老鳥
Australia
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 Posted - 12/15/2009 : 11:15:42
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Originally posted by Reich
就說大家都在打嘴砲咩
不然先進國家一堆號稱很先進節能的技術
怎不將那些產業和訂單搬回去弄呢？
因為大家都在想著同樣的一件事「省錢」
你這樣笑對岸，不過就是五十步笑百步
But then, it is not the developed nation's "responsibility" to provide funding and technologies to developing countries to go green, which is what chi na insisting that developed nations should give to chi na.....
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chi na can still buy those green equipments and still making some profit in manufacturing in green way
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
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小毛
我是老鳥
Taiwan
10742 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2009 : 11:26:24
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如果真的想要玩減碳，一定要全面的考量才能看到顯著效果，光減車子，不減工業排放，或是反之都不夠，但是擾民造成的不滿和工商業壓力反彈你說政府會選哪個...
其實台灣已經有很嚴格的車輛廢氣排放標準，主要的問題是舊車輛太多，鼓勵換新車的優惠不足，新車又貴到爆，所以舊車滿街跑，車輛廢氣就不好降低。
垂直軸的風力發電機應該可以大幅減少鳥擊或是噪音甚至是故障率高的問題，不過目前還很少看到大規模的運用。
至於造林，按台灣山坡地破壞的速度與造林政策造出的鬼東西，等林地造好大概全台的水庫都廢了.... |
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Reich
路人甲乙丙
Saint Croix
4918 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2009 : 11:29:50
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呵呵，是啊
這些先進國家要是覺得對岸該更環保些
怎不乾脆將訂單通通搬回去呢？
這樣碳足跡還少更多更多勒.....
用不著一直虧對岸怎樣怎樣
你們澳洲不也為了其他國家養一堆牛羊，那你們怎不想想以更環保的方式去養呢？
說來說去都是嘴砲....
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2. SS-Panzerdivision "Das Reich",
Panzergrenadier Kampfgruppe z.b.V.
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rockitten
我是老鳥
Australia
8191 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2009 : 11:35:38
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Originally posted by Reich
你們澳洲不也為了其他國家養一堆牛羊，那你們怎不想想以更環保的方式去養呢？
Australia is researching on it for 12 years already........
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The main point is, those African and Pacific nation are suffering much more than chi na, but chi na is trying claiming the majority part of aid while actually chi na has enough resources.....
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
Edited by - rockitten on 12/15/2009 11:38:47 |
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dasha
版主
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Posted - 12/15/2009 : 13:41:47
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Originally posted by 小毛
垂直軸的風力發電機應該可以大幅減少鳥擊或是噪音甚至是故障率高的問題，不過目前還很少看到大規模的運用。
至於造林，按台灣山坡地破壞的速度與造林政策造出的鬼東西，等林地造好大概全台的水庫都廢了....
台灣風力發電機故障主因是過強的風(颱風)與鹽份造成的嚴重氧化,這兩個問題你去問別的國家沒用,因為他們的專家過來只會瞠目結舌後,叫我們先暫時放棄風力發電,這兩個問題在台灣太嚴重了......
還有,台灣造山運動的垂直速度也是世界紀錄,921這類地震可以50~100年(西部)甚至是10~20年(東部)發生一次的地方,你怎麼造林都擋不住......
吉屋出售
台北縣板橋市大觀路一二樓公寓,接近國小至大學各級學校及公車總站,離捷運及板橋車站不遠.
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ian125
我是老鳥
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yusaku
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
1936 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2009 : 15:06:01
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Originally posted by dasha
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Originally posted by 小毛
垂直軸的風力發電機應該可以大幅減少鳥擊或是噪音甚至是故障率高的問題，不過目前還很少看到大規模的運用。
至於造林，按台灣山坡地破壞的速度與造林政策造出的鬼東西，等林地造好大概全台的水庫都廢了....
台灣風力發電機故障主因是過強的風(颱風)與鹽份造成的嚴重氧化,這兩個問題你去問別的國家沒用,因為他們的專家過來只會瞠目結舌後,叫我們先暫時放棄風力發電,這兩個問題在台灣太嚴重了......
還有,台灣造山運動的垂直速度也是世界紀錄,921這類地震可以50~100年(西部)甚至是10~20年(東部)發生一次的地方,你怎麼造林都擋不住......
還有台灣環保教育的迷思之一，就是完全無視台灣年雨量是哪種等級。更別說這種年雨量幾乎都集中在雨季，台灣雨季的雨量更是糟糕透頂的等級。
我不知道哪種等級的水土保持能對付日雨量500mm以上的雨？
今年在日本帶來土石流幾乎滅了兵庫縣佐用町的「豪雨」是日雨量320mm，這種等級的雨在台灣別說輕度颱風連梅雨鋒面都生的出來。
東京市中心的排水系統是針對50mm/hr的暴雨來設計，超過的話都心就是大水。
台北市呢？台北市排水系統是針對75mm/hr來設計的。看看過幾年會不會升級到100mm/hr等級。
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astroboy
我是菜鳥
Hong Kong
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dasha
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41804 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2009 : 17:07:41
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Originally posted by yusaku
東京市中心的排水系統是針對50mm/hr的暴雨來設計，超過的話都心就是大水。
台北市呢？台北市排水系統是針對75mm/hr來設計的。看看過幾年會不會升級到100mm/hr等級。
某些區域理論上已經到達100mm/hr了,但某個區域今年才到40mm/hr,還有一個區域目前還沒到,理由?"居民抗議",因為公佈相關資料會影響當地房地產,而當地會淹水的地方幾乎沒人住,只有一些池塘,淹不到居民的話,居民不希望你大張旗鼓宣佈.而上述地方不包括社子島,因為社子島本來是河道,那是沒降雨也可能淹的地方......
吉屋出售
台北縣板橋市大觀路一二樓公寓,接近國小至大學各級學校及公車總站,離捷運及板橋車站不遠.
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rockitten
我是老鳥
Australia
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astroboy
我是菜鳥
Hong Kong
374 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2009 : 18:20:46
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Its budgeting sucks doesn't mean that it's wealthy thus deserves no aid, I'm sure you are able to comprehend that, don't you?
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rockitten
我是老鳥
Australia
8191 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2009 : 19:18:32
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Originally posted by astroboy
Its budgeting sucks doesn't mean that it's wealthy thus deserves no aid, I'm sure you are able to comprehend that, don't you?
Because chi na suggest that the aid should be distributed by population......Compare with those African and pacific nation who urgently need the already very stretched help or their country will be eliminated, I'm sure you are able to comprehend that chi na's situation is much better and shouldn't claim that lion share.....
When those starving African and Pacific nation are lining up for a free cup of soup, and then chi na, who already have a free lunch, want to have a free cup of soup too. If you are the aid volunteer, will you give chin na that soup?
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By the way, as early as 2007, All nations within British Commonwealth have already agree to help those African and Pacific Commonwealth Nations on climate changes.....who says the Commonwealth is useless 
http://www.thecommonwealth.org/document/34293/35144/173014/climateactionplan.htm
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
Edited by - rockitten on 12/15/2009 19:22:42 |
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kumasukiyaki
路人甲乙丙
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Posted - 12/15/2009 : 20:22:19
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Originally posted by rockitten
Because chi na suggest that the aid should be distributed by population......Compare with those African and pacific nation who urgently need the already very stretched help or their country will be eliminated, I'm sure you are able to comprehend that chi na's situation is much better and shouldn't claim that lion share.....
自己去查查，中國有幾億人生活在聯合國貧困線標準以下，再來發表感慨不遲
還有，用不著弄一副虛偽的嘴臉，裝的自己好像「很care非洲和太平洋島國勞苦大眾」一樣，讓人看了作嘔。
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Originally posted by rockitten
When those starving African and Pacific nation are lining up for a free cup of soup, and then chi na, who already have a free lunch, want to have a free cup of soup too. If you are the aid volunteer, will you give chin na that soup?
中國本身就向非洲國家提供了很多援助，而且不像西方國家，中國的援助不帶任何附加政治條件
西方國家真的那麼「關心」非洲的話，怎麼不多提供一些無條件援助？
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白痴和天才本來是兄弟倆，白痴的智商是天才的10倍，後來他們倆在人世降生。因為白痴的智商比人類高的實在太多，所以沒有人能聽懂他說的話，從此白痴變成愚蠢的代名詞，而天才的智商只比人類高一點，所以變成聰明的代名詞。 |
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rockitten
我是老鳥
Australia
8191 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2009 : 21:12:10
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Originally posted by kumasukiyaki
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Originally posted by rockitten
Because chi na suggest that the aid should be distributed by population......Compare with those African and pacific nation who urgently need the already very stretched help or their country will be eliminated, I'm sure you are able to comprehend that chi na's situation is much better and shouldn't claim that lion share.....
自己去查查，中國有幾億人生活在聯合國貧困線標準以下，再來發表感慨不遲
還有，用不著弄一副虛偽的嘴臉，裝的自己好像「很care非洲和太平洋島國勞苦大眾」一樣，讓人看了作嘔。
quote:
Originally posted by rockitten
When those starving African and Pacific nation are lining up for a free cup of soup, and then chi na, who already have a free lunch, want to have a free cup of soup too. If you are the aid volunteer, will you give chin na that soup?
中國本身就向非洲國家提供了很多援助，而且不像西方國家，中國的援助不帶任何附加政治條件
西方國家真的那麼「關心」非洲的話，怎麼不多提供一些無條件援助？
1.On average GDP, chi na is now about US$2000 per people now, but how come 70% of wealth is concentrated on less than 10% people, and so still have "有幾億人生活在聯合國貧困線標準以下"?? Who's fault is that?
2.Western world in total, still provide much more aid to Africa and Pacific than chi na. In fact, many "government services" of those nations are actually by western volunteers. Also, if you don't monitoring the usage of those aid, you will see most of those "aid money" flows into the pockets of the corrupted officals rather than any real aid. That is why normal Africans doesn't really welcome those "中國不帶任何附加政治條件的援助". For the 30 African classmates/collages I have met, all 30 of they say most of those "aid" are gone into someone's pockets in exchange of cheap resources to chi na......... But of coz, Xinhua won't tell you that....
By the way, when chi na's keep asking for more aid on climate change, they also refuse any international monitoring. So how can we know will those aid funds flows into the pockets of the corrupted officials rather than any real works? If you really believe those chi na offical datas are reliable, I would rather believe 林志玲 is still virgin.........
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We all know too well how officials in chi na good at "transferring" aid money into their pockets.
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
Edited by - rockitten on 12/15/2009 21:14:00 |
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kumasukiyaki
路人甲乙丙
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Posted - 12/15/2009 : 23:56:51
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Originally posted by rockitten
1.On average GDP, chi na is now about US$2000 per people now, but how come 70% of wealth is concentrated on less than 10% people, and so still have "有幾億人生活在聯合國貧困線標準以下"?? Who's fault is that?
2.Western world in total, still provide much more aid to Africa and Pacific than chi na. In fact, many "government services" of those nations are actually by western volunteers. Also, if you don't monitoring the usage of those aid, you will see most of those "aid money" flows into the pockets of the corrupted officals rather than any real aid. That is why normal Africans doesn't really welcome those "中國不帶任何附加政治條件的援助". For the 30 African classmates/collages I have met, all 30 of they say most of those "aid" are gone into someone's pockets in exchange of cheap resources to chi na......... But of coz, Xinhua won't tell you that....
By the way, when chi na's keep asking for more aid on climate change, they also refuse any international monitoring. So how can we know will those aid funds flows into the pockets of the corrupted officials rather than any real works? If you really believe those chi na offical datas are reliable, I would rather believe 林志玲 is still virgin.........
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We all know too well how officials in chi na good at "transferring" aid money into their pockets.
（1）財富集中很少見嗎？美國也是一小部份人掌握一大部份財富
（2）不帶政治條件，是對對方信任的表現
（3）你不知道聯合國本身也是個腐敗問題很嚴重的機構嗎？讓聯合國的人管你以為會好很多嗎？
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白痴和天才本來是兄弟倆，白痴的智商是天才的10倍，後來他們倆在人世降生。因為白痴的智商比人類高的實在太多，所以沒有人能聽懂他說的話，從此白痴變成愚蠢的代名詞，而天才的智商只比人類高一點，所以變成聰明的代名詞。 |
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yusaku
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
1936 Posts |
Posted - 12/16/2009 : 00:24:25
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Originally posted by dasha
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Originally posted by yusaku
東京市中心的排水系統是針對50mm/hr的暴雨來設計，超過的話都心就是大水。
台北市呢？台北市排水系統是針對75mm/hr來設計的。看看過幾年會不會升級到100mm/hr等級。
某些區域理論上已經到達100mm/hr了,但某個區域今年才到40mm/hr,還有一個區域目前還沒到,理由?"居民抗議",因為公佈相關資料會影響當地房地產,而當地會淹水的地方幾乎沒人住,只有一些池塘,淹不到居民的話,居民不希望你大張旗鼓宣佈.而上述地方不包括社子島,因為社子島本來是河道,那是沒降雨也可能淹的地方......
其實dasha在另一串不是講到台灣這方面作的很遭搞不好就是這種原因。
只要一調查，以台灣研究單位的保密程度，這資料保證外洩，然後問題就來了。
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cobrachen
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 00:40:47
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Originally posted by kumasukiyaki
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Originally posted by rockitten
1.On average GDP, chi na is now about US$2000 per people now, but how come 70% of wealth is concentrated on less than 10% people, and so still have "有幾億人生活在聯合國貧困線標準以下"?? Who's fault is that?
2.Western world in total, still provide much more aid to Africa and Pacific than chi na. In fact, many "government services" of those nations are actually by western volunteers. Also, if you don't monitoring the usage of those aid, you will see most of those "aid money" flows into the pockets of the corrupted officals rather than any real aid. That is why normal Africans doesn't really welcome those "中國不帶任何附加政治條件的援助". For the 30 African classmates/collages I have met, all 30 of they say most of those "aid" are gone into someone's pockets in exchange of cheap resources to chi na......... But of coz, Xinhua won't tell you that....
By the way, when chi na's keep asking for more aid on climate change, they also refuse any international monitoring. So how can we know will those aid funds flows into the pockets of the corrupted officials rather than any real works? If you really believe those chi na offical datas are reliable, I would rather believe 林志玲 is still virgin.........
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We all know too well how officials in chi na good at "transferring" aid money into their pockets.
（1）財富集中很少見嗎？美國也是一小部份人掌握一大部份財富
（2）不帶政治條件，是對對方信任的表現
（3）你不知道聯合國本身也是個腐敗問題很嚴重的機構嗎？讓聯合國的人管你以為會好很多嗎？
美國財富也是集中，但是，大多數的人並沒有生活在貧困標準中，如果要比較，需要兩者放在一起。
說不帶政治條件，那其實就是一個政治條件，沒有真的是不帶政治條件的，只是這個條件可能出現在其他的地方。國際關係的互動，沒有政治條件是不可能的。
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smilejack (帳號已鎖定)
剛剛入門
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 01:46:44
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Now,XiangGang Refuge, read this
AFRICA BUILDS AS BEIJING SCRAMBLES TO INVEST
By David Pilling 2009-12-14
"A few years ago, Lukas Lundin, a mining executive, rode his motorbike 8,000 miles from Cairo to Cape Town. His journey, which took just five weeks, meandered through 10 countries, including Sudan, Ethiopia, Malawi, Zambia and Botswana. He was amazed to discover that 85 per cent of the roads he travelled were tarred and of high quality. Many had been built by Chinese companies.
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Much of the criticism of China's influence rings hollow. As Chinese – and Japanese – officials point out, the west's track record is less than exemplary. European contact with Africa can best be summed up as decades of naked rapaciousness followed by a spectacularly unsuccessful attempt to make amends. During the cold war western governments supported dictators and kleptomaniacs across the continent, from President Mobutu Sese Seko of what was then Zaire to Uganda's murderous British-trained Idi Amin. More recently, in the name of conditionality, benefactors have rammed frequently disastrous economic fads down the throats of hapless recipients. With donors like that, who needs enemies?
China's pragmatism may produce better results. First, an emphasis on infrastructure means that, even if deals are corroded by corruption, at least the recipient country ends up with a road, port or hospital. (OK, or perhaps a soccer stadium.) Much Asian growth, including that of China itself, was predicated on infrastructure. Officials in Tokyo often contrast Japan's own business-oriented approach to south-east Asia – where countries such as Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia benefited greatly from Japanese trade and investment – with dubious development strategies pushed by the west in Africa."
http://www.ftchinese.com/story/001030264/en
So, at least those Africans know that sell their own oil(at least China recognition that)to China at least they can get their money, road, school, water supply......Let's look at the offer your "NOBLE""CIVILIZED" auss and western world provide for so long, what's kind payment is that? Cheap Bible? Genocide? Drug Experiment
? and your favorites "Democracy". Your kinds rule the African for centuries and that land still looks like Hell, A hell got much more your Churchs than their School.
Now watch this, your "Majesty"
"據英國《金融時報》報導，中國政府週一表示，其減排行動將不要求發達國家提供資助。這一立場給中國人帶來的驚訝恐怕不小於西方人。此前，中國一直堅稱，發達國家為發展中國家減排提供資金並非“做善事”，而是為它們自身的歷史排放“盡義務”。"
http://www.ftchinese.com/story/001030304
See, now you can save your money for your "Nobel cause" in Afghanistan, I bet those Mujahedins must be far more important than the Global climate condition for your guys.
By the way, i still expect your "xianggang refuge" fight back, when could that be? |
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rockitten
我是老鳥
Australia
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 07:23:04
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Originally posted by smilejack
Now watch this, your "Majesty"
"據英國《金融時報》報導，中國政府週一表示，其減排行動將不要求發達國家提供資助。這一立場給中國人帶來的驚訝恐怕不小於西方人。此前，中國一直堅稱，發達國家為發展中國家減排提供資金並非“做善事”，而是為它們自身的歷史排放“盡義務”。"
http://www.ftchinese.com/story/001030304
Ya, so that means, chi na eventually have to give in to their initial claim that chi na "deserve" to recieve aid for climate change, which is exactly what I stating on this forum: chi na don't need to be aid for the climate change. But we should wait til the agreement really signed first to see what chi na will do their part on emmision reduction.
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
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dasha
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 08:39:30
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Originally posted by yusaku
只要一調查，以台灣研究單位的保密程度，這資料保證外洩，然後問題就來了。
這倒不用擔心,因為台灣學界在這方面有兩派,一派是只剩名義上還在學界,實則某單位的附屬單位,特別是公家單位,人都在人家工作地點工作,那個保密就是比照人家單位,你要刺探就是洩漏機密,數據很難出來.第二種是把這種與儀器觀測有關的工作全當成低等工作,不屑一顧,所以也根本不知道真實的數據是多少,人家隨便給一個未來目標就當成現在狀況相信了......這個出來的數據能準,趕快簽樂透吧!
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Luke-Skywalker
我是老鳥
Taiwan
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 09:01:05
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http://n.yam.com/cna/society/200912/20091215976579.html
減碳績效大退步 環團憂成發展核能藉口
中央社╱中央社 2009-12-15 21:11
（中央社記者林思宇台北15日電）國際環保組織公布各國政府保護氣候績效評比，台灣從去年29名下滑至44名。台灣環保團體今天表示，減碳看不見政策，才會大退步，此項評比結果恐成為政府發展核能的藉口。
國際環保組織14日公布2010年全球57國家保護氣候績效評比，總共有3項指標，包括碳排放量的趨勢、碳排放量及氣候政策，台灣從去年的29名下滑至44名。
台灣環境行動網主任李毓蓉受訪表示，此項評比中，碳排放趨勢佔50%、氣候政策佔20%，碳排放量只有30%。主要評比政府對未來氣候政策的積極參與程度，如果碳排放量高也沒關係，重點是政府未來保護氣候的能力。
她說，根據評比結果，顯然台灣要再加油；她很擔心，這份報告會成為政府發展核能藉口。
李毓蓉表示，台灣政府在減碳方面，完全沒有政策，只有口號，整天告訴人民應該怎麼做，卻放任石化工廠興建；要爭能源稅，又因工業界反彈又作罷，低碳政策都是白談。
綠黨發言人潘翰聲表示，政府的排碳量政策恐怕跳票，因為很多大開發案應該做二階環評，但中科四期開發案、林口電廠等開發案都沒有做二階環評，很離譜。
潘翰聲表示，減碳三法中，「碳交易」爭議太大才會過不了，一定要排除碳交易；而能源稅才是減碳的源頭，但能源稅的政策又要延後；此外，沒有減碳期程，就好像「減肥沒有目標」，不可能會成功。
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rockitten
我是老鳥
Australia
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 09:46:43
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Originally posted by dasha
第二種是把這種與儀器觀測有關的工作全當成低等工作,不屑一顧,所以也根本不知道真實的數據是多少,人家隨便給一個未來目標就當成現在狀況相信了......這個出來的數據能準,趕快簽樂透吧!
well, this situation is actually quite "common" in geology researches: everyone know how important the "quality/quantity of sample" is, but when they see the price tag for drilling a 2km deep sampling hole......
小貓不會作模型，小貓只愛玩模型；看似小貓玩模型，其實模型玩小貓：
A B 補土白膠條，樹脂改套蝕刻片；凹線凸線凹凸線，乾磨水磨銼刀磨；
水性油性消光漆，乾掃手掃噴槍掃；模型一盒三百幾，零件一堆三千幾；
多買多作進步多，買了不作口水多；花錢耗時傷精神，小貓是隻敗家喵。 |
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Reinherd Von Hwang提督
我是老鳥
USA
9567 Posts |
Posted - 12/16/2009 : 12:37:08
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Originally posted by Luke-Skywalker
http://n.yam.com/cna/society/200912/20091215976579.html
減碳績效大退步 環團憂成發展核能藉口
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May the Force be with you
President of IMFS(International Military Fans Society)
我有時候真的覺得某些環保人士被社運人士給洗腦了
環保不是用嘴講的 和科學一樣是實作的
（這和社會運動不一樣 社會/人文的東西可以用說的 但是自然科學只能用做的 再生能源的規模發電量短期間就是做不到那麼大規模）
你不發展核能如何減碳？？ 太陽能/風力/水力好規好
但是沒有一個規模上可以取代火力發電 ∼∼∼><|||
我的blog
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/reinherd
歡迎參觀 |
Edited by - Reinherd Von Hwang提督 on 12/16/2009 12:38:57 |
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Captain Picard
我是老鳥
9669 Posts |
Posted - 12/16/2009 : 12:46:38
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依照最基本的熱力學常識，能源只會越用越少，想要輕鬆不勞而獲而取得高效用、易使用的能源很難，天下沒有白吃的午餐。
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Reich
路人甲乙丙
Saint Croix
4918 Posts |
Posted - 12/16/2009 : 13:05:30
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那
還不快點發展核融合技術，ㄎㄎ......
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