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the sell point for many heavily armed wheeled vechice is their long range and they are fast enough for escort of trucks, which most MBT and IFV failed to do so



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rockitten
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the sell point for many heavily armed wheeled vechice is their long range and they are fast enough for escort of trucks, which most MBT and IFV failed to do so



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you see the convoy are escorted by frigates/DE on WWII is simply because USN/RN is TOO strong, and they have so many CVE/B-24 that there aren't much large BC/BB/CA as raiders so that the main treat is for anti-sub.

In land warfare, especially for supplying units on very fluid front line, skmish with enemies MBT/IFV isn't that uncommon.......And, those "gun trucks" are no match with any IFV as their fire controls are too primary.

And after all, in "management point of view", if you have a look the B1 centron, it is the "Tank destroyer" version of a family of APC, IFV, motar vechicle....etc. So it is a Tank destroyer that can do convoy escort, LRFR (long range force recon), and part time MBT but also share common hull (and spare parts) with their main fleet of IFV/APC (so can swap parts if needed) is always better than a lots of different specific vechicles

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Posted - 06/14/2011 :  10:43:18  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send Kronprinz Louie a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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you see the convoy are escorted by frigates/DE on WWII is simply because USN/RN is TOO strong, and they have so many CVE/B-24 that there aren't much large BC/BB/CA as raiders so that the main treat is for anti-sub.

In land warfare, especially for supplying units on very fluid front line, skmish with enemies MBT/IFV isn't that uncommon.......And, those "gun trucks" are no match with any IFV as their fire controls are too primary.



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