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cobrachen
管家
4513 Posts |
 Posted - 02/17/2013 : 00:41:52
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| 剛剛看了一下網路的資料，看不出來M109各型三種155mm的火炮，彈藥是不是完全不能通用？當然，如果這三種炮是不同設計，那麼另當別論。不過，同樣的火炮設計，只是將炮管的長度增加，彈藥應該還是可以通用的吧？波福斯的40快炮算不算一個例子？ |
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HOTARU
路人甲乙丙
3584 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2013 : 00:57:16
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應該是新砲可以用舊彈藥,但舊砲(倍徑短的,耐膛壓低的)不能用專為長倍徑新砲開發的高膛壓彈藥.至少M109A1/A2用的舊藥包M109A5/A6都能用.
不過最早那個L23短砲管怎樣我就不清楚了... |
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LUMBER
我是老鳥
Taiwan
8485 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2013 : 10:31:07
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北約規格設計所用的炮彈跟藥包都是共通的.
對彈藥分裝的火炮來說,只有藥包不同.
A2跟A5雖然使用火炮不同,但是老美應該大多都有過性能提升. |
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HOTARU
路人甲乙丙
3584 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2013 : 11:00:35
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| 好像不對,A5開始換裝的L39 M284才能用M203／M203A1装薬(八號裝藥)的樣子,A5之前的L33只能用到七號裝藥. |
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LUMBER
我是老鳥
Taiwan
8485 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2013 : 12:06:31
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這個喔....因為台灣最多只打4號裝藥
我們當然沒在管這個XD |
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冗丙
版主
Taiwan
16098 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2013 : 16:51:57
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記得有改成彈膛23公升的北約增程彈容量??所以應該砲彈往前推進到卡住的深度不同??
忠義衛飯筒~剽悍吃燒肉~~ |
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tirpitz
新手上路
264 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2013 : 19:23:05
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quote:
Originally posted by cobrachen
剛剛看了一下網路的資料，看不出來M109各型三種155mm的火炮，彈藥是不是完全不能通用？當然，如果這三種炮是不同設計，那麼另當別論。不過，同樣的火炮設計，只是將炮管的長度增加，彈藥應該還是可以通用的吧？波福斯的40快炮算不算一個例子？
When fired from the 155 mm M126/M126A1 Cannon on M109 self-propelled howitzers the following ballistic
performances can be attained:
Charge 1 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 207.3 m/s - range 3,900 m
Charge 2 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 236.2 m/s - range 4,900 m
Charge 3 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 275.8 m/s - range 6,500 m
Charge 4 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 317 m/s - range 8,200 m
Charge 5 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 374.9 m/s - range 9,800 m
Charge 3 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 269.7 m/s - range 6,200 m
Charge 4 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 313.9 m/s - range 8,000 m
Charge 5 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 373.4 m/s - range 9,800 m
Charge 6 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 461.8 m/s - range 12,000 m
Charge 7 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 562.4 m/s - range 14,600 m.
When fired from the 155 mm M185 Cannon used on the M109A1 to M109A4 series of self-propelled
howitzers the 155 mm HE M107 can attain the following ballistic performances:
Charge 2 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 237.7 m/s - range 5,000 m
Charge 3 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 277.4 m/s - range 6,500 m
Charge 4 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 318.5 m/s - range 8,300 m
Charge 5 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 374.9 m/s - range 9,800 m
Charge 3 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 292.6 m/s - range 7,200 m
Charge 4 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 336.8 m/s - range 8,900 m
Charge 5 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 393.2 m/s - range 10,300 m
Charge 6 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 475.5 m/s - range 12,400 m
Charge 7 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 565.4 m/s - range 14,800 m
Charge 8 (M119/M119A1) - MV 684.3 m/s - range 18,100 m.
When fired from the 155 mm M119 Cannon on the M198 Towed Howitzer the following ballistic
performances can be attained:
Charge 2 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 239.8 m/s - range 5,000 m
Charge 3 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 280.8 m/s - range 6,500 m
Charge 4 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 322.9 m/s - range 8,300 m
Charge 5 (M3A1 green bag) - MV 380.1 m/s - range 9,800 m
Charge 3 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 296.5 m/s - range 7,200 m
Charge 4 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 340.9 m/s - range 8,900 m
Charge 5 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 398 m/s - range 10,300 m
Charge 6 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 482 m/s - range 12,400 m
Charge 7 (M4A2 white bag) - MV 574.3 m/s - range 14,800 m
Charge 8 (M119/M119A1) - MV 684.3 m/s - range 18,100 m.
With the 155 mm M284 Cannon used on the M109A5 and M109A6 Paladin self-propelled howitzers, the 155mm HE M107 fired using the M203/M203A1 Charge 8S can attain a maximum range of 24,000 m.
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Edited by - tirpitz on 02/18/2013 19:24:55 |
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BWS
路人甲乙丙
Taiwan
2128 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2013 : 01:36:20
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quote:
Originally posted by cobrachen
剛剛看了一下網路的資料，看不出來M109各型三種155mm的火炮，彈藥是不是完全不能通用？當然，如果這三種炮是不同設計，那麼另當別論。不過，同樣的火炮設計，只是將炮管的長度增加，彈藥應該還是可以通用的吧？波福斯的40快炮算不算一個例子？
蛇大
M109A6手冊上列舉出很多彈藥跟舊款彈藥不適用 , 您指哪一種呢?
這還包含到引信的匹配等等
這是A6系列上的警語
• Unauthorized assembly and use of projectiles
and propelling charges are extremely dangerous.
Make sure projectiles are marked 155 H (not G).
• Only those items listed are authorized. Firing of
unauthorized propelling charge, projectile, or fuze
combinations can result in critical malfunctions.
• Charge 1 (M3 series green bag), charge 2 (green
bag) will not be fired in the M284 cannon.
Charge 2 (green bag charge (GB)) may be used
with any M100 series projectile, M449 series
projectile, M804/M804A1 projectile, and the
M485 projectile, however, stickers may
occasionally occur. All other projectiles, except
the M795, use minimum charge 3 (GB) or charge
3 (white bag charge (WB)) and higher. M795
uses minimum charge 3 (GB) or charge 4 (WB).
Firing below these charges may result in stickers.
以下則是A2-A5系列的彈藥警語
• Unauthorized assembly and use of projectiles and propelling charges are extremely
dangerous. Make sure projectiles are marked 155 H (not G).
• Only those items listed are authorized. Firing of unauthorized propelling charge,
projectile, or fuze combinations can result in critical malfunctions.
• Charge 1 (M3 series green bag (GB)) will not be fired in the M109A2/M109A3/M109A4
M185 or M109A5 M284 cannon assembly. Charge 2 (GB charge) may be used with any
M100 series projectile, M449 projectile, M804/M804A1 projectile, and the M485 projectile,
however, stickers may occasionally occur. All other projectiles, except the M795, use
minimum charge 3 (GB) or charge 3 (white bag (WB)) charge and higher. M795 uses
minimum charge 3 (GB) or charge 4 (WB). Firing below these charges may result in stickers.
Important information is stenciled on each projectile. New and old projectile colorings and markings are listed in
Table 5-1, 155MM Ammunition for M109 Howitzers. Various markings are identified below. Knowing the color
coding and the meaning of the markings will aid in the rapid selection of the required projectile when firing.
Projectile and fuze combinations for authorized rounds are given in Table 5-1, 155MM Ammunition for M109
Howitzers. Authorized projectile propelling charge combinations are given in Table 5-2, Authorized
Projectile/Propelling Charge Combinations for M109A2/M109A3/M109A4 M185 and M109A5 M284 Cannon
Assemblies (155MM).
M109A6手冊上也有詳細描述北約各國適用彈種與裝藥/引信匹配
而這些A2-A5以及A6系列上的彈藥互用有將近5百多頁的詳細資料(不包含北約各國彈藥的頁數) ; 最近小弟工作忙 , 實在難以相互比對整理
最簡單的方式是A2到A5構型...彈藥裝藥引信匹配都通用
A6構型的 , 彈藥裝藥引信匹配不一定等同於A2-A5的
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