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ybzd
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3453 Posts

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dasha
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Posted - 10/25/2008 :  10:34:55  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send dasha a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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ybzd
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3453 Posts

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MIG-21ªº§CªÅ©Ê¯àÁÙ¬O¤£®z,¶V¾ÔÃÒ©ú¨ä®æ°««D±`ÆF¬¡.
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dasha
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41804 Posts

Posted - 10/25/2008 :  14:09:09  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send dasha a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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MIG-21ªº§CªÅ©Ê¯àÁÙ¬O¤£®z,¶V¾ÔÃÒ©ú¨ä®æ°««D±`ÆF¬¡.



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rockitten
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8191 Posts

Posted - 10/25/2008 :  21:50:18  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send rockitten a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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3.better pilot-system inter phase and electronics......this is the comment of Russians and Vietnamese Mig-21 pilots when they evaluate those ex-south Vietnam F-5s.......

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cobrachen
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4513 Posts

Posted - 10/25/2008 :  22:23:27  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Click to see cobrachen's MSN Messenger address Send cobrachen a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Originally posted by ybzd

MIG-21ªº§CªÅ©Ê¯àÁÙ¬O¤£®z,¶V¾ÔÃÒ©ú¨ä®æ°««D±`ÆF¬¡.



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von_Guo
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4430 Posts

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cobrachen
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4513 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2008 :  02:31:21  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Click to see cobrachen's MSN Messenger address Send cobrachen a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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cobrachen
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4513 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2008 :  02:34:05  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Click to see cobrachen's MSN Messenger address Send cobrachen a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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dasha
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41804 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2008 :  07:31:44  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send dasha a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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ybzd
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3453 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2008 :  08:03:44  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send ybzd a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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Originally posted by von_Guo


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ybzd
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3453 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2008 :  08:07:09  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send ybzd a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
quote:
Originally posted by cobrachen

quote:
Originally posted by ybzd

MIG-21ªº§CªÅ©Ê¯àÁÙ¬O¤£®z,¶V¾ÔÃÒ©ú¨ä®æ°««D±`ÆF¬¡.



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cobrachen
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4513 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2008 :  08:29:12  ·|­û¸ê®Æ  Click to see cobrachen's MSN Messenger address Send cobrachen a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
quote:
Originally posted by ybzd

quote:
Originally posted by cobrachen

quote:
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Posted - 10/26/2008 :  19:42:00  ·|­û¸ê®Æ Send ybzd a Private Message  ¤Þ¨¥¦^ÂÐ
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