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Posted - 11/28/2012 : 12:10:40
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Posted - 11/28/2012 : 12:35:21
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Posted - 11/28/2012 : 13:54:12
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Posted - 11/28/2012 : 14:13:34
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Posted - 11/28/2012 : 15:19:01
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quote: Originally posted by dasha
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gsx56840
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Posted - 11/28/2012 : 21:01:14
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quote: Originally posted by Captain Picard
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rockitten
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Posted - 11/28/2012 : 23:33:38
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quote: Originally posted by Captain Picard
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and the size of the air-wing is constrained by the hanger size. Unless chi na is making super-carrier like USN, fighter like SU-33 is absolutely too big to have a decent size air group.........
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im7099
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Posted - 11/29/2012 : 22:42:35
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rockitten
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Posted - 11/29/2012 : 23:32:20
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quote: Originally posted by im7099
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1. as long as it can do the job, who cares if it is really a tracker 2. Su-27/33 series are nearly twice the size of a F-18/F-35.........
3. The support of the ski-jump will occupy a lots of space.......
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dasha
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Posted - 11/30/2012 : 13:03:59
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Posted - 11/30/2012 : 14:53:27
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olddog
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Taiwan
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Posted - 11/30/2012 : 15:14:07
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toga
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Tajikistan
12781 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2012 : 15:25:15
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toga
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Tajikistan
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Posted - 11/30/2012 : 15:40:28
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Posted - 11/30/2012 : 20:01:31
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Posted - 12/01/2012 : 19:28:19
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Posted - 12/02/2012 : 19:27:24
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Posted - 12/02/2012 : 19:29:34
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Posted - 12/03/2012 : 10:54:23
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Posted - 12/04/2012 : 06:29:00
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Posted - 12/04/2012 : 09:59:45
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